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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Question: since Lula is a Global South socdem, is he a lib?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

We should analyze liberalism from a materialist standpoint and not treat the ideology of it as the primary factor. On the surface level, Lula and a lot of American/European soc-dem liberals will theoretically have the same philosophy, stated values and preferred policies. But the labor movement will be stronger and more principled wherever the concentration of industry and the proletariat is the highest. The semi-bougiefied imperial core proles have much more trouble staying principled or properly understanding the course of politics. The labor movement in the imperial core is coasting by on pure inertia from previous decades. Their gains are eroded by ever increasing rounds of austerity.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago

Thanks for reminding me to

not treat the ideology of it as the primary factor.

Yeah that's just pure idealism on my part, the economic base determines and constantly moves the superstructure

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Technically yes, but he talks about building wealth evenly through social programs in his own country, which improves people’s lives and goes against historical austerity imposed on the global south, which could facilitate decoupling from western hegemony. This makes him theoretically better than a socdem in the west, who is limited to making wealth more evenly distributed, but ultimately still derives that power from plundering the global south. Being better just because of your geopolitical conditions is not guaranteed, however, as we have seen in recent years in Chile and Peru.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, there are global South allies who are technically libs (eg. Ta Nehisi Coates)

and

libs who definitely know they depend on the hegemonic western capitalist base, with its unequal 'exchange' and imposed IMF austerity, dollar rule, and interest rates....

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

Yes. He's a Lib with a neoliberal government, barely even socdem