And it’s crazy how normal Americans think this two party system is. It’s like no matter how bad you think your guy is, you have to vote for them because the other side is worse. They always talk about the Labour Party and the Tories as if they think they’re carbon copies of the Democrats and the Republicans and project all their issues into them. They don’t seem to realise there’s like five or six other parties that get a considerable number of votes and have representation in Parliament.

you are 100% correct, and I'm glad to see you speaking up here as well.

these kind of posts are disgusting pablum and should be discouraged.

It's exactly the kind of thing that feels good to say, but doesn't convince anyone at all. Which is why Republicans keep winning despite ideas that should be extremely unpopular. They tie themselves to emotions about masculinity and patriotism and paint the other side as a source of disgust and fear. While Democrats look at people who support or don't seem eager to stop Trump and say angry things at them, which just makes them not want to help Demcorats.

The "I'm voting, are you?" argument featuring nutty alt-right Maga crazies is far better because it says "hey, you can help stop this nutjob."

But it's literally how it works in the USA with voting. It shouldn't, but it DOES.

I mean, yeah? Have you looked around? The or else is getting pretty bad.

Also I want to keep adding it's not just Trump, he's just a pawn. This is Republicans, not Trump. If row did anything hopefully it opened up some eyes to realize they have been on message for a long damn time. Dems should take note.

If I was on the fence this kind of menacing push would make me reaffirm myself into not voting Dems. For real.

What kind of shitty way of convince anyone is this?

How else would you propose that the Overton Window shift to the left?

The really bad part is when you see how they react when people point out Kamala moving to the left would guarantee trump loses...

Moderates have been doing this since Bill Clinton 30+ years ago.

They always claim nothing else matters but beating Republicans, and use any excuse to move the party right. When voters complain the politician doesn't match the party, we get the above.

They'd rather trump win then progressives, so they point a gun at everyone's head and say it's our fault if they have to pull the trigger.

Hell, in 08 with Obama they did pull the trigger. PUMA movement had them voting R instead of Obama. It's just despite controlling the party, they are a statistically insignificant amount of voters.

A few months ago all these people called us trump supporters for making the (still true) statement that Kamala has a better chance than Biden, and they were all saying Kamala would be a terrible candidate and only Biden can win.

They'll say anything in the moment with no regards to what just came out of their mouths.

Entirely agree. The people responsible for trump getting votes are the people voting for Trump.

Tactical voting is bullshit of the highest order and the undeniable sign of a fucked up political and voting system, not some sort of political astuteness.

If your voting system can't allow people to express their true choice, you should throw it away. Yes, that means the majority of voting systems around the world are bad and need to be changed. Getting people to recognise that this is even an issue in the first place is a huge battle.

Can confirm, these awful false-equivalences have only further convinced me that liberals will never lift a finger to help anyone.

I’m not speaking from a place of facts, but I think the sentiment is if you don’t purposefully vote for someone within the two-party system that isn’t Trump, your vote will mathematically be a negative towards votes against Trump.

Not voting/third-party vote = one less vote against Trump/more possible votes for Trump