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Hamas has taken responsibility for the fatal shooting and stabbing attack in Tel Aviv that unfolded on Tuesday just as Iran was launching a ballistic missile barrage on Israel.

Seven people were killed in the attack, and 16 people were injured, the Israel Police Spokesperson's Unit and Shin Bet said in a joint statement Wednesday. The two alleged attackers were also killed, police said.

In a statement Wednesday, Hamas' military wing claimed responsibility for the attack.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hamas has set the Palestinian cause back by decades. They're important in the same way cancer is important to the human body.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hamas has set the Palestinian cause back by decades.

How so? Hamas has been the leader of both armed resistance and peace talks with Israel for 20 years, and if you look at the change in public opinion in the West over the time period you'll see the result. You said they set the Palestinian cause back by decades, but then I would like to ask: In what way did they set it back and who else was even advancing it?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hamas did not lead any peace talks worth a damn and their "armed resistance" has only ever consisted of attacks on civilians, usually by firing missiles at settlements in unambiguously Israeli territory (attacking military installations or even settlements in the West Bank would've been at least somewhat defensible, but that's not what they've been doing) and then hiding behind their own civilian population to hinder Israeli retaliation, getting them killed in the process. They also did all that from Gaza, an area that Israel de-occupied after the Second Intifada, and which could have served as a positive example of peaceful Palestinian self-government and eventually independence instead of the opposite.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hamas did not lead any peace talks worth a damn

2008? 2012? 2013? These were all serious peace talks where they were unambiguously stiffed by Israel with clear malicious intent.

has only ever consisted of attacks on civilians, usually by firing missiles at settlements in unambiguously Israeli territory (attacking military installations or even settlements in the West Bank would've been at leriast somewhat defensible, but that's not what they've been doing)

These attacks serve to cost Israel money needed to run the iron dome, and in large quantities can be a way of exerting political pressure (see: 2021) and causing economic losses by forcing evacuations. It's not pretty, but it works.

then hiding behind their own civilian population to hinder Israeli retaliation, getting them killed in the process.

I've literally never seen evidence for this. And please don't tell me they put their headquarters in residential areas because literally every military in the world does that. The human shields argument is, when you get down to it, taking issue with the fact that Hamas exists in Gaza, which is... Yeah.

They also did all that from Gaza, an area that Israel de-occupied after the Second Intifada, and which could have served as a positive example of peaceful Palestinian self-government and eventually independence instead of the opposite.

Educate yourself. This is too wrong to correct it all, but let me just point out that the blockade started immediately after the deoccupation and that Gaza is still considered occupied by the UN. Israel never had any intention of allowing peaceful Palestinian existence.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

So you are fine with deliberate attacks on civilians, so long as they're Israeli civilians. That's really all I needed to know here. Bye.