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honestly the map is too unserious to merit discussion
Except that it's not. China's development has been overwhelmingly peaceful, and China has played a positive role around the globe helping many other nations develop and improve their standard of living. On the other hand, the US has been at war throughout all of its miserable existence, and is responsible for carrying out countless crimes against humanity around the globe. It remains the greatest threat to human existence today.
See? You could have said that instead of posting falsified maps
the map is far more accurate than it is not though
Come on, Yog, we can hold ourselves to a higher standard than this. It'd be so easy to just color in Vietnam and then you'd be set, but by posting it in its current form you are actively lying.
I think there's a difference between invasion/occupation and a minor border skirmish. Like yeah it could've been more accurate, but it does get the point across. 🤷
If I was just complaining about border skirmishes, then I'd mention India or something. The attack on Vietnam was more than just a "minor border skirmish".
Well, feel free to explain how the attack on Vietnam constitutes an occupation. Are you suggesting China's military action was carried out with the intent of annexing a part of Vietnam?
Come on, you're more well-read than this. You know that military occupation and annexation are not the same thing.
You still haven't answered what you think the intent of the military action was. Do you claim any military confrontation is occupation?
I'd more say that the military occupation was done for the sake of confrontation (this is similar to the official Chinese line). It was a really senseless invasion, as far as I can tell (and I disagree with the Vietnamese line that the war was expansionist).
I think we can agree on that
Eh, I think you can illustrate your point a bit better, comrade. The map goes from good agitprop to bad when it is counterable by liberals and leftists alike. I agree with your general point on this post, so I don't think the point itself is bad, but it could be better elaborated on with an actual map that shows what it says it does. Just my opinion.
The top one is taken from a website called vividmaps where it's countries the USA has had some sort of conflict with
The bottom map is just a white map.
Garbage meme 1/5
Yep, it's pretty bad for agitprop, even if I agree that the PRC has had really peaceful development all things considered, and the US is a genocidal empire, this map gets in the way of that messaging.
That's fair, I like the concept of the map hence why I shared it, but I agree it would be better if it was more accurate. Perhaps worth making a better one.
I think that's a good idea! Reality speaks for itself, showing reality is the best agitprop.
I agree, and it is true that whenever agitprop has even minor inaccuracies then that's the only thing people will fixate on.
Exactly.
I agree, also it misses the colonial expansion of the original USA (13 small States in the East Coast), the USA should be red
One 😂😂😂 bit is the way it even uses a purer shade of white for China.
african debt traps intensify
I love how you trolls just keep regurgitating the same few tropes that even mainstream western media has debunked
our civilized and altruistic IMF lending vs their horrifying Chinese extortion schemes!!! 😱
my guy your waking life consists of reposting the same 5 talking points
i'd maybe take a moment of quiet reflection
"The results show that Chinese foreign direct investment (FDI) sets in motion a process of transformation in the local economy that damages local competitors but – at the same time – benefits local suppliers to the new Chinese firms as well as their local clients."
this is another way of saying that local businesses are destroyed, save from the ones that become functionally chinese subsidiaries
if the west did this you'd be having a meltdown
you know that when a bank restructures a loan for you, it's not out of the goodness of their hearts, right?
and that's when they do restructure a loan for you, rather than just letting you default and having your economy explode like happened with sri lanka
guys they didn't SEIZE a port they merely forced a country to lease it for 99 years at a bargain bin price
ethiopia literally had to default on their debt after this article was published
see above
this is the same as the first link
this is about the port again
this just says "development good" without defining what that is
the same metric would justify european colonialism of africa
except for all the cases where they don't and countries have to default, i guess
this link isn't relevant
The debt they owed to the IMF 😂 https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/imf-ethiopia-reach-staff-level-agreement-first-review-loan-program-2024-09-27/
Oh you mean where actual western debt trap was happening?
No it wouldn't, but I'm not expecting any sort of intellectual integrity from you here.
sure buddy
do you understand how money works? you know it's fungible, right?
even in your cartoon world, china is a member of the imf
and even if they weren't, the largest share of single-source debt was from china
i guess it's easier to defend a worldview if you just like...make stuff up?
said the person who cherry picked like 3 things to respond to, despite spending most of their life accusing others of cherry picking, and responded to them by making stuff up
okay let's pretend it's relevant
selling it services and equipment now absolves a country of guilt
wow, looks like the us is absolved of guilt to a comical degree
Unlike you, I do understand how money and debt works. The discussion is about debts issued by China and their long term impact, which every study shows to be positive. I guess it's easier to make a clown of yourself in public than actually learn about the subject you're attempting to debate.
except the ones you just linked, i guess?
you must have been very unlucky when picking which sources to show me :(
you know people (other people, not me, i'm here for serious discussion exclusively) only keep you off their blocklist because it's really funny watching the fediverse e-clown ply their trade every day, right?
The ones I linked provide a contrast between Chinese lending and IMF lending, but clearly that was too complex of an idea for you to grasp.
I just vastly overestimated your intellectual capacity.
I'd be so insulted by that if I had a shred of respect for you.
again, even in your cartoon world, china is a member of the imf
also you clearly haven't read your sources very recently, because that's not the picture they paint
this is such a reddit tier insult i love it
China being a member of the IMF doesn't mean China runs the IMF or makes decisions for it. Learn how the IMF works instead of making clown of yourself here. The most hilarious part is that you're too ignorant to realize how much of a clown you are.
as a reddit brain you'd know
if the imf is such a corrupt organization, why is china willingly a member?
you really come crawling back to me just to call me a clown again? why are your insults all "clown" or "i'm rubber your glue"?
why are your insults all "clown" or "i'm rubber your glue"?
Because China participates in world trade. Again, learn about the subjects you're trying to opine on that you're quite obviously have no clue about. Absolutely hilarious how you keep doubling down on documenting what an utter ignoramus you are. 👏
so china has surpassed the us, but it's the one being forced into corrupt organizations it would rather not be a member of?
yes this makes sense
Literally why China has been establishing alternative organizations. The ones that all the research I linked shows to be actually helping countries. Try to put at least a bit of effort into your trolling. This is just so embarrassing.
except what you linked literally didn't show that
that's kind of why we're all the way down here
No that's not why we're down here, we're down here because you have poor reading comprehension and misrepresented what the links said. Given that you are just here to troll, I don't see much point continuing. Enjoy having the last word that you so desperately crave.
cool, quote it
Put the Kool-Aid down. Stop uncritically accepting propaganda from neocolonial states and their corporate media.