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Israel is the one that has repeatedly targeted civilians
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Not to mention that Hezbollah only exists because of Israel
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Israel targets combatants and sometimes hits civilians as well. That's big difference.
Hezbollah and Hamas directly target civilians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yedioth_Ahronoth
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If you personally don't think the source is reliable, just add it as a comment. This is unjustified censorship just because its from Israel.
You're not wrong, Israel, Hezbollah and Hamas do ALL target civilians.
The difference is Hezbollah and Hamas are largely ineffectual, but Israel reacts as though they are.
The equivent in the US would be some asshole kid throws a rock and breaks a window and the homeowner responds with a shotgun and kills the entire family. "But they started it!"
Hamas and Hezbollah aren’t ineffectual. The only reason they don’t kill more Israelis, is the immense effort Israel makes in civil defense, shelter construction, missile defense, etc.
October 7th was the most successful by Hamas ever and killed, what? Under 2,000 people?
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/10/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news
Compared to Israel killing tens of thousands and displacing millions.
Yeah, they are largely ineffectual.
So ineffectual, they manage to start wars against Israel.
I'd barely call what Hamas or Hezbolla is doing "warfare". Terrorism? Absolutely. But there's zero chance for them in an actual war with Israel.
Wikipedia calls it wars:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Hamas_war
Did you not know that Lebanon kills civilians all the time? Literally, they fired artillery and rockets at civilian targets on Oct 8th. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hezbollah_conflict_(2023%E2%80%93present)
Like honestly, you seem well informed. Are you deliberately ignoring what Hamas and Hezbollah does?
Did you not know that Israel kills civilians, and guess what, Israel is responsible for the killing of a lot more civilians than Hezbollah and Hamas together. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#:~:text=According%20to%20B'tselem's,been%20killed%20by%20Palestinian%20forces.
So it is very disputable if Israel has the moral high ground on this.
According to Hezbollah. Not an unbiased source
Just as reliable as using idf as a source
From the hundreds of sources in that wiki page, the vast majority are Israeli and Western sources. So why would you say 'according to Hezbollah' in response?
No, I don't ignore the actions of Hezbollah or Hamas. Its a bad situation all around. I recognize that violence doesn't come out of nowhere, there are underlying causes and historical context. Fundamentally, all people are created equal, and all people deserve equal rights. Israel is a violent ethnostate founded on ethnic cleansing and Settler Colonialism. A lasting peace requires a regime change that replaces that with a secular One-State that gives equal rights to the indigenous Palestinian people. Instead, Israel is engaged in the genocide of Palestinians. Zionism is incompatible with human rights and it always has been.
Edit: if you disagree with any of that, explain why. Violence doesn't come out of nowhere. It comes from either dehumanization and exploitation or as a reaction to violence
#1. Israel is the aggressor. The state has been imposed on the people of the middle east through violence. #2. Through US support, Israel is the most powerful country in this conflict. They therefore have the moral responsibility to act in a way to promote peace #3. Hamas and Hezbollah are not terrorist organizations. They're legitimately part of their respective government's #4. Any act you've been told is a terrorist act by those two organizations was very likely legal under international law. Israel is an occupying force. People are legally allowed to fight that force through violence.