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Tankie cringe
How to say you're a NAFO shill without saying you're a NATO shill.
Correct. I'll happily shill for the defensive alliance formed to ward off (the currently on display) Russian aggression. NATO would not exist if Russia weren't so nakedly attempting to rebuild the Soviet Union by force, an alliance that had already been litigated and abandoned by the smaller nations Russia pillaged for resources, this time without even pretending to be for the workers.
Edit: no amount of tankie brigading will convince me that Russia isn't the aggressor in the region. Imagine the brainrot required to think that the military that invaded Ukraine and is still currently there is the good team.
If you truly think this is a display of Russian aggression I genuinely doubt that you have any historic view on the geopolitics of the region. The conflict did not appear out of thin air in 2022. The situation is more complex than "Russian aggression"; in fact that's not even a part of the picture. Russia is responding to requests for assistance after Ukraine began bombing its own people in 2014. Many of these people voted to join Russia after this disgusting display by Ukraine. Before 2022 most of the combatants against Ukraine were regular people fighting for their homes and families. These people realize that Ukraine wants to bomb their homes and Russia is offering to fight alongside them. On the weekend before the SMO began, there were 2000 ceasefire violations in the Donbass. Between 2014 and 2022, 1 million Ukrainians immigrated to Russia because of the abuse by the Ukrainian government. And since the operation began in 2022, another 1.3 million immigrated. The people in these territories that Ukraine has zero regard for view the support they are receiving from Russia positively: they invited Russia in to assist them, and they are somewhat reliant on Russia to protect them from Ukraine.
I know life is a lot easier when you don't muddy things with context. I know that it's a lot easier to be righteous in your condemnation of a world power because they're "evil" and an "aggressor" than it is to acknowledge that the situation is more complex. I know that it's a lot easier to go along with what Western media says than to be informed and hold your own opinions. I know it feels nice to rally with everyone against a perceived enemy. I know it feels nice to feel that your country (and military) is finally doing something good for once. But you can't let wanting to feel good stand in the way of reality. The Western media has done a hell of a job propagandizing this war, attempting to remove any historical and geopolitical context, in order to gather and maintain support. Think honestly: how much historical and geopolitical context have you seen, especially from popular media sources? How much more effort is spent on raging about current "evil deeds" than understanding the desires of the people in the actual territories that have asked Russia for help?
Please read, and inform yourself. Life is less black-and-white than "Russia evil".
Gee, i wonder what happened in 2014 to make Ukrainians start shelling parts of the donbas?
Could it be a land invasion by a neighboring country?
No, they must be Nazis, the extremely trustworthy people in the Kremlin say so...
I will copy paste this comment from Hexbear that explains how we reached that situation, because I believe it will be useful here for context:
In defiance of the Ukrainian Parliament and the majority will of ukrainian people. and it wasn't a coup. a coup is "a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government." Yanukovych was removed after losing the confidence of both the people and his party through legal processes already afforded to the Ukrainian legislatured. Enough of his party defected to the opposition to the point where he no longer commanded a majority.
Not economic warefare, a trade agreement which the Ukrainian parliament voted for. Russia had the option of cancelling it's own trade deal with Ukraine if it did not approve of Ukraines trade deal with Europe. The choice of who Ukraine creates trade deals with entirely rests with Ukraine.
The Maiden protests also were about a lot more that just a trade deal with europe. The protesters also took issue with the endemic corruption and the growing oligopoly like the one in Russia.
The Russian language was not, nor has it ever been, banned. The Ukrainian parliament attempted to repeal a law that granted minority languages such as Russian regional status but it was vetoed by the then president of Ukraine. It's wasn't until 2018 that the law was deemed to be unconstitutional but even then, the Russian language was not banned
The Minsk agreements were signed under duress AFTER Russia invaded their neighbor, seizing Crimea and kicking off a civil war in Donbas. The war in Donbas is entirely down to Russia.
I see no reason why it shouldnt have been, Crimea is part of Ukraine and has been since the dissolution of the USSR.
If i kept being invaded by a neighboring country i would want to militarize too
You're in a thread that's showed you that NATO was a place to give jobs to high ranking Nazis. It's the world's most aggressive military alliance that Russia is defending itself from.
Lmfao "defending itself." Where's the Russian military right now pal? I, too, defend my home by attacking my neighbors.
Are your neighbours putting a nuclear missile in their yard and pointing it at your house, and you're doing nothing?
Russia does basically this to the U.S. with its subs and it's a reality Americans are forced to deal with every day, so yes, Russia is the clear aggressor here.
And the 700+ US military bases around the world mean nothing.
Absolutely nothing in this context, yes.
Grow up. Stop shilling for foreign powers.
Typical American Exceptionalist, assumes that this forum only has Americans on it. Your chauvinism is blatant.
Holy fuck, you right-wing traitors are out in full force today, aren't you?
The idea that people should innately have loyalty to their government is a right wing idea, lmao. "Treason" 🤣🤣🤣
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