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Will it be effective?

SpoilerNo, it was not very effective.


EDIT: The banning event continues. Please consult the modlog to observe.

https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&modId=7121342

If you scroll down to about a day ago, you might be able to observe an emerging behavior from this mod.


EDIT 2: The mod in question moderates a total of 108 Lemmy communities. How deep does this conspiracy run? Is this mod a lost Redditor? More to come!


EDIT 3: The mod has now removed my comment all together, one might assume because it was still receiving upvotes in the 2 hours following my ban. Are there similarities here to Watergate? You be the judge!


EDIT 4: The mod in question has now been removed as a mod of the [email protected] community, as a result of their abuse of power.

https://lemmy.world/post/19731457

This was their response:


EDIT 5: This will be my final update, since as far as I see it, the issue this thread focuses on has been resolved. To quote Beaver herself in a very ironic comment she made directed towards someone else:

Clearly this was all just a case of...

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (27 children)

Oh boy, it looks like they're posting the "you should feed your obligate carnivorous pets a fully vegan diet" garbage again.

Edit:

Trying to paint your special diet group as a minority group is kinda fucking offensive. People get murdered, raped, beaten, abused, fired, divorced, jailed, tortured, sent to re-education camps, and so on, for being black, or LGBT, or Hispanic, or Muslim, or whatever. Vegans though? No. Unlike the other examples, vegans don't get murdered for something you were born with; they don't have entire continents who want to murder them. They just get ridiculed, and tbh, nowadays most of the ridicule is due to their garbage attitudes and nothing to do with the diet itself.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (4 children)

The modlog should at least contain an identifier of the mod. Maybe not a link to their account but something that can be tracked across communities. To see who is abusing their power.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm pretty it's Beaver. I'm now banned (and I appear to be blocked by Beaver as well) and I'm pretty sure the only recent direct interaction I've had with the community was downvoting the recent articles about how vegan diets are okay for carnivorous pets.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago

Yeah, beaver is a bit batshit lol

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

They went batshit with the meme posting last night and the threads were mostly shitting on them. They are full tilt.

Yup just checked, banned.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Modlog does contain the info, it's just not displayed on the website. You can get the full data from lemmy API

Example:

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                "title": "vegan",
                "description": "Please also check out [vegantheoryclub.org](https://vegantheoryclub.org/) for a great set of well-run communities for vegan news, cooking, gardening, and art. It is not federated with LW, but it is a nice, cozy, all-in-one space for vegans.\n\n***\n\nWe ask that the you have an understanding on what veganism is before engaging in this community.\n\nIf you think you have been banned erroneously, please get in contact with one of the other mods for appeals.\n\nModerator reports may not federate properly and may delay moderator action. Please DM an active mod if an abusive comment remains after reporting it.\n\n***\n\n## Welcome\n\nWelcome to c/[email protected]. Broadly, this community is a place to discuss veganism. Discussion on [intersectional](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality) topics related to the animal rights movement are also encouraged.\n\n## What is Veganism?\n\n> 'Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals ...'\n\n— abridged definition from [The Vegan Society](https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism)\n\n## Rules\n\n*The rules are subject to change, especially upon community feedback.*\n\n1. Discrimination is **not** tolerated. *This includes [speciesism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism)*.\n2. Topics not relating to veganism are subject to removal.\n3. Posts are to be as accessible as practicable:\n\t- pictures of text require alt-text;\n\t- paywalled articles must have an accessible non-paywalled link.\n4. Content warnings are required for triggering content.\n5. Bad-faith [carnist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnism) rhetoric & anti-veganism are not allowed, as this is not a space to debate the merits of veganism. Anyone is welcome here, however, and so good-faith efforts to ask questions about veganism may be given their own weekly stickied post in the future (see current stickied discussion).\n\t- before jumping into the community, we encourage you to read [examples of common fallacies here.](https://yourveganfallacyis.com/)\n\t- if you're asking questions about veganism, be mindful that the person on the other end is trying to be helpful by answering you and treat them with at least as much respect as they give you.\n6. Misinformation, particularly that which is dangerous or has malicious intent, is subject to removal.\n\n## Resources on Veganism\n\nA compilation of many vegan resources/sites in a Google spreadsheet:\n\n* [vegancheatsheet.org](https://vegancheatsheet.org/)\n\nHere are some documentaries that are recommended to watch if planning to or have recently become vegan:\n\n* [You Will Never Look at Your Life in the Same Way Again](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3u7hXpOm58)\n* [Dominion (2018)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko) (CW: gore, animal abuse)\n\n## Vegan Fediverse\n\nLemmy: [vegantheoryclub.org](https://vegantheoryclub.org/)\n\nMastodon: [veganism.social](https://veganism.social/)\n\n### Other Vegan Communities\n\n#### General Vegan Comms\n[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])\n\n[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])\n\n[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])\n\n[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])\n\n#### Circlejerk Comms\n[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])\n\n\n#### Vegan Food / Cooking\n[[email protected]](/c/[email protected]) \n\n[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])\n\n[[email protected]](/c/[email protected])\n\n",
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nice.. thanks. I had indeed just checked the website. I think it should then just be on the website. Especially if they are exposing votes then open this up too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah it's weird it just says 'mod' or 'admin' instead of the username

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's because people abused mods who banned them and such. I kinda get it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Thunder shows the mod for each modlog action.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The info is there. You can tell who it is by using the filters (e.g. logs filtered on me as the user that were modded by beaver: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&modId=7121342&userId=36)

It’s a pain in the ass but it works.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah vegans should not consider themselves as a minority.

The ANIMALS are the minority group. Not YOU. The entitlement speaks to an ego trip and is a vicious representation of the cause.

They should have their platform removed because they are hurting the image of the vegan movement

This is coming from a vegan btw

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The ANIMALS are the minority group. Not YOU.

relevant xkcd

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

To be fair, minority in the sense that there is a power imbalance between us humans, the majority, and domesticated animals, the minority.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I was curious, so I had a look, seems like it still leads to violence in some occurences

A Florida man was recently arrested for allegedly stabbing his cousin after a heated debate about whether whole cow's milk or almond milk is superior.

The debate over whether to consume animal products, like meat and dairy, or go entirely plant-based (vegan) is a hot-button issue, often filled with vitriol and name-calling online and in real life.

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-do-angry-vegans-meat-eaters-fight-so-much-2020-2?op=1

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but c'mon, that's Floridaman. He's a meth head who'd murder someone because he wanted to fuck an alligator and thought he needed a human sacrifice to do it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Whoa now! Don't tarnish the good name of alligator fuckers like that!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Hey, the lovers are okay in my book too

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

I don't think that counts as targeted hate crime or whatever. He wasn't stabbed for veganism, he was stabbed from the heated argument, which by trigger happy dumbos like these could have been about anything.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm not a vegan or even a vegetarian, but even I can see that my vegetarian friends get questioned uncomfortably all the time for their diet choice. When you do something differently, you inevitably get bullied.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I used to be a vegetarian for a decade and then a pescetarian before apathy fully set in and I saw how pointless it all is.

Vegans and vegetarians can be some of the most judgemental gatekeeping assholes out there. Many of them aren't, but the ones that are militant and overbearing are the worst and only push others from their cause. Those ones desperately want to feel better than others, so become borderline eating disordered to elevate themselves to some holy god level in their minds because they eat beans and lentils.

They aren't in the same class as minorities. They choose to eat the diet they do. And no one can visibly tell they are vegetarian/vegan until they tell others they are.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They are not in the same situation as minorities, but if they stay true to their ideals, they get bullied just like minorities. The fact there are assholes among them just like in any other group of people changes nothing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Getting bullied is not the same as being a "MINORITY". White kids who are not minorities in North America but get bullied all the time in school. Not eating flesh of a mammal or fish etc doesn't mean you are a "minority". Like I said, I've experienced life as a veggie. Is it annoying? The stupid questions, the comments people make? Yes. But I've never had a cop pull me over and worry about whether I'll die that day because I don't eat beef. Or worry, walking down the street, alone at night as a single woman, if I'll be assaulted because I don't eat chicken. Non-meat-eaters aren't minorities in the sense that they are discriminated against in the idea that the word "minority" conjures up. They deal with, at most, someone tricking them into eating meat. Which I've had done. It felt violating and offensive but wasn't any sort of level as someone who is an actual "minority" in our continent.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As I think about it though, the word minority now mosty means an ethnical minority. But when mentioning women - although discriminated against, they're not a minority in the original sense at all - there is usually the same number of women and men, the problems lie elsewhere. In this sense of the word, vegans are a minority in our society. They could be compared to religious minorities, I guess. It's a choice, but a choice based on ethical foundations, so going against this choice is unthinkable for those people without being untrue to themselves and betraying what they believe in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Okay, I can really understand what you are trying to say. I feel like there needs to be a different or new word for this kind of experience maybe? Because choosing to abstain from a food group or what have you doesn't make your minority in the sense most of us think of, even if it's technically correct. And we don't want to minimize what true minorities go through when our food choices in this case our truly our own choice. But it is definitely a different experience when someone finds out you choose not to eat the type of food they do. They take it so personally you are not eating meat. I actually had the same issues when I was doing Atkins ages ago, which is mostly protein based. People questioning my food choices because it wasn't what they they eat and they took it as a personal judgement against them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I didn't want to say it was the same. Just that they do get bullied.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah sorry if I got a bit heated in my response. Maybe I misunderstood your point.

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