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I know this is typical for the US so this is more for US people to respond to. I wouldn't say that it is the best system for work, just wondering about the disconnect.

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[–] [email protected] 198 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Because even I don't want to work 9-5.

(Also, when are teachers supposed to do things like grade work, or kids to have extracurricular activities, 9-5 is draining, add in music or sports and there's nothing left)

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This was my first thought. Teachers definitely need time to assess outside of class time. I would think that assessment or grading would happen while they aren't teaching. There should be a system where teachers grade outside of teaching time or during "homework/study hall" time. You would teach math for 6 hours and grade math for 2 or some breakdown that makes sense. I don't want to make teachers work anymore than they already do. The current system doesn't seem to respect them either way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, why do teacher need to do all the grading?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who do you propose else does it? Teachers know their students and can learn from tests etc and help them do better. additionally to the original argument, it’s not just grading that teachers have to do as well, also lesson/course planning, setup for lessons (eg slideshow/lab/printing). There’s just a lot for teachers to do outside of the classroom.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well most universities have TAs that either just do all grading, assist with grading, or help with lesson plans and it seems to work okay.

In an ideal system, there isn't a reason that grade school teacher couldn't have a TA that is also present in the class and familiar with the students.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well you would have to hire someone to do that, and it’s my understanding that teachers are mostly underpaid and understaffed, so to at a minimum double the number of teachers would be excessively costly, to the point where even imagining it is laughable.

Not that I don’t like the idea, it’s just not feasible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

See: "In an ideal system"

This whole discussion is complete fantasy to begin with since changing the fundamental scheduling of the public education system would require a complete overhaul anyway.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, you assess knowledge by using simplified electronic quizzes to take the busy work out of it, then dive into the "show your work" for those students who are struggling. And students who have mastered the material can work with those who are struggling and serve as a force multiplier. Tutoring others makes them even better students, and those tutored will have more 1:1 time than they could possibly get with a teacher.

Khan Academy has been working with schools in the Bay Area for more than a decade and the results are pretty astounding. Salman Khan's TED Talk in 2011 is an exciting glimpse of the possible, and by all accounts those who use Khan Academy software and methods are reaping the benefits.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you tell me more about how Khan Academy have worked with schools in the Bay Area? I just finished uni and now have my teaching degree. I work in Sweden but I would like to read more about this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I just know what Salman Khan has said about it -- watch his videos for more.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

It isn't even just grading work. In my high school classroom I have students ranging from a second grade reading level to post grad. Every reading, worksheet, science lab, project needs to have accommodations and modifications written in to encompass that. That takes time.

Or creating a new lesson. Making a new lesson for a 50 minute period takes at least an hour.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Clearly you and I participated in very different school experiences. In highschool, I got on my bus each day at 7:30 and got back off the bus at 16:00. If you subtract the 30 minute lunch period, that adds up to almost exactly 8 hours each day.

Factoring in the 2 hours of homework that was regularly assigned, I actually have substantially more free-time as a working 9-5 adult (my school did not have "study hall" time). A young me would have done unspeakable things for a chance at abolishing homework!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Just because students are at school does not mean they are in a typical class. Our school has athletics right after classes. We got out about 5. Just make other options, perhaps skills, clubs, study hall, etc.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Some of it can be done during study hall, while kids are doing their work.