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Only 4 Texts Remain from the Maya Civilization After Thousands Were Destroyed

Despite the fact that we are not very far removed from their heyday, we know very little about Maya civilization.

And it’s not because the Maya weren’t into recording their history.

The Maya were prolific writers and actually evolved from using scrolls to a form of folded paper called the codex right around the same time as the Romans, though each appears to be independent of the other.

[...]

Maya glyphs and the records of the Spanish conquistadors themselves attest to thousands of these codices existing by the time the two cultures met in the 16th century.

But, due to their being destroyed by priests, conquistadors, ship raiders, and even time and mold, only about 22 codices, of which only four have Maya origin, exist today.

None of them are complete, and none have their original covers.

[...]

And you might have noticed that the oldest one only goes back to 200-300 years before the Spanish conquest.

We know that the codices went back at least 800 years prior to that, so we’re essentially looking at the tip of a fingernail and trying to guess what the hand looked like.

And that’s how the soul of a culture gets erased from history…


See also: Burning the Maya Books: The 1562 Tragedy at Mani


The last codices destroyed were those of Nojpetén, Guatemala in 1697, the last city conquered in the Americas. (Wikipedia)

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[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That sort of generalization lets the monsters off easy and pointlessly demonizes everyone.

You know, I actually think it's a bit more myopic than that? There have been many despicable warlords in history and even they weren't all the same.

The standard explanation for the spanish burning the mesoamerican canons is that, in so doing, they were erasing a people's identity and memory. It would be about power and empire building. Truth be told, the spanish also have a record of ensuring loyalty and compliance of the exploited peasantry by also *co-opting * local religious traditions. So even they could have just... not burned all of those texts. Hell, there are even Church arguments not to do so because a deeper knowledge of the 'pagan traditions' would be in the interest of the colonizing faith.

It's not a human thing. It's a historical circumstances thing.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago

I wholeheartedly agree.

Christianity became the dominant religion in a lot of other us-foreign-policy regions by very different means, such as persuading kings to convert or outright co-opting local traditions, for example.

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

But that's just the thing, that co-optation of local traditions I mentioned? It happened in Yucatán as well! That sort of thing happened everywhere in the portuguese and spanish empires where state power was too far for the comfort of local landlords. This being the early modern state, we are talking about almost across the whole territory. This makes a lot of sense because many of those same landlords were themselves former native elites.

The spanish themselves, in this instance, had a choice to make and they made it.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

That's a very good point of clarification: that really was a choice and "human nature" platitudes are deeply unserious indeed.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago

Christianity became the dominant religion in a lot of other regions by very different means, such as persuading kings to convert or outright co-opting local traditions, for example.

Poland for example. However i hate this shit and regardless of mountains of suffering it resulted in later, adopting catholicism by Duke Mieszko the First in 966 was a political jackpot that solved so many problems for him and it took over half of century till pagan reaction resulted in great uprising in 1025 and even then it was pretty easily defeated in few years (another speculative reason why all that seems to went so easy is that Mieszko and probably his half-legendary father were really merciless rulers that united the tribes by massacring local elites till no one protesting it survived, it also explains lack of tribal separatism in the early history of Poland).

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