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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

1987 smoking banned in London public transport following the deaths of 31 people in a fire

2005 banned in nationwide public transport

2008 banned in enclosed public spaces

2018 banned in prisons

I'm curious do you think they're all stupid or just this one? Isn't this one just an extension of "please don't smoke directly in front of the hospital doors" for other public places?

What about the proposed plans to raise the smoking age year on year every year?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Banning smoking in prisons was insane. It was pioneered by "failing" Chris Greyling and essentially created a whole new category of contraband. I was watching a Business Insider doc on youtube about this and a former prisoner was saying that since this policy came into place, a pack of cigarettes is now valued at hundreds of pounds when traded between prisoners.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

An enclosed space is very different to outside. That's why you don't run your car indoors.

Should we ban pubs from having car parks? Since the exhaust fumes are quite toxic.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Should we ban [cars]

I mean, disregarding the feasibility, political polularity and media optics of it, for the continuation of earths ecosystem... probably yeah

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Should we ban pubs from having car parks? Since the exhaust fumes are quite toxic.

No, but we should ban the sale of new ICE cars (and in so doing begin a complete phase out) for those reasons and because they're damaging to the wider environment.

Oh, look we are.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I don't run my car indoors because generally it doesn't fit through the door.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Lots of pubs don't have car parks though so what's your point?

Just so you understand, the reason that smoking outside should be banned is not because smoking is bad (although obviously objectively it is and you shouldn't do it) but smoking near me is bad, and I am occasionally outside at the same time as you are outside. If you want to go smoke in the middle of a field, be my guest. Your life choices should not affect me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Everyone who chooses to drive in a city centre has a directionally similar impact (potentially bigger magnitude because vehicle traffic is pretty lethal). I don't think anyone disagrees with the principal, they just have different thresholds for personal freedom vs impact on those around you.

I think it's hard not to see a culture/class aspect to this when wood burners continue to be used without much limitation.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

Are you a little bit slow? You don't see the difference between indoor and outdoor?