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I'm rediscovering the use of a blue SAD light for productive works/study time.

Also Newton's cradle is good for setting a beat

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wow!

I agree with all your bullet points except the last one.

How do you store and search a paper Zettlekasten? How do you update it?

I use obsidian for that and I am not sure a paper version would be economically sane for me. I would need tons of probably expensive small papers and one of those beautiful drawers furniture they used in the 60s.

Congratulations this is impressive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

First, thx.

Then, to answer your questions:

The Zettelkasten was devised to be constantly updated and searched and linked, be it analog or digital. My index is the key entry point, next to the my many bibliographical and authors cards and then I simply follow the links from one card to the other(s).

I can easily update any entry by adding more cards to it, with a sub-digit ID linking it to its parent.

I'm not a huge fan of videos, but you could do worse (much worse) than watch a few on Scott Scheper's channel (https://www.youtube.com/@scottscheper/videos) the only real downside imho, beside the sheer amount of videos, is how much he insists on being hostile to digital. Even though I'm an analog user myself I find his constant attacks tiring (not necessarily all wrong, but tiring) and counter-productive. The same with his book (a really excellent understanding of what an analog Zettel is and how one could use it, with way too much anti-digital remarks). A more neutral and not less interesting reading would be Bob Doto 'A system for writing' (https://bobdoto.computer/) — reading it this very moment and not yet finished, but I like what I've been reading so far. The kind of book I would likely offer to a newcomer.

As for cost. There are many options to reduce it to barely nothing (say, much less than the cost of a cloud subscription to host your files for a few decades):

  • You may not use index cards but standard paper. Much cheaper. And it has another advantage: it will eat less space in your boxes since standard paper is thinner than index cards. For years, I was reusing the back of letters and documents, the back of my drafts and so on I cut to size (A6, aka 4x6 in the USA). I made thousands of cards for cheap, if not for free. My only expense was to buy a (used, cheap) office paper cutter (one of those guillotine-like thingy with a large blade that can easily cut 20+ sheets at once). So it was really quick and neat to make a bunch of new 'cards' from my recycled A4 sheets.
  • You may buy index cards in bulk or even second hand. I've recently purchased 10.000 A6 (4x6) cards brand new still wrapped in packs of 100 from a shop that was closing down for less than... 40$, shipping included.

For storage, I have yet to find a decent filing cabinet. Living in France, I don't have access to the variety of new cabinets you have in the USA, or only at absurdly expensive prices. And used 4x6 filing cabinets are not that common. So, for the most part I've been using a (high tech) mix of shoe boxes (they work surprisingly well) and of those office index card boxes (plastic or metal boxes with a removable lid and optional separators). Both are ugly as fuck, that's for sure, but at least they do their job. One day, hopefully, I will get my hand on one of those nice and well-made cabinet :p

Edit: typos (part thx to Apple's autocorrect moronic decisions, part because I just suck at English ;)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ah oui t’es un jlailu toi aussi, j’avais pas remarqué.

Thanks for your answers, I’ll have a look at the videos. I do love my obsidian Zettel for one useless function: The graph view that looks like a brain with synapses etc 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ah oui t’es un jlailu toi aussi, j’avais pas remarqué.

Neither did I realize you were too ;)

I do love my obsidian Zettel for one useless function: The graph view that looks like a brain with synapses etc 🤷🏻‍♂️

Obsidian has a lot of qualities. It's just that... I find it was incredibly overwhelming when I first installed it. I spend an entire week just getting familiar with it and learning its base procedures. In comparison, getting familiar with a pile of index cards and a fountain pen took me... a few seconds.

And then everything is flat on a screen, and intangible and stuck withing that limited screen. You can't touch it, you can't easily put it in whatever order — or disorder — you fancy or drop it wherever you want. I like to spread my cards on a couple tables and then mix them as ideas and connections start to fuse. I also enjoy flipping through those cards like I would flip through the pages of a book (it's generally when the most interesting surprises will happen) much more than I appreciate being able to Ctrl or Cmd-Search for an exact keyword.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The day I find a cabinet like that at the local "marché aux puces" I will probably do a paper Zettel as well. It’s beautiful and fulfilling.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

The day I find a cabinet like that at the local “marché aux puces” I will probably do a paper Zettel as well. It’s beautiful and fulfilling.

Allow me to correctly rephrase that sentence of yours: "the day you find a cabinet like that at the local “marché aux puces” you instantly send me a message to ask me if I want it". Which I am, and I will thank you wholeheartedly, even though I had no idea where I could put it in our small apartment ;)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

That's not the real Slim Shady