▲ 480 ▼ RFK Jr. admits he falls for online misinformation “all the time” (www.motherjones.com) submitted 2 years ago by jeffw@lemmy.world [M] to c/news@lemmy.world 48 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) If this is the alternative to the two-party system, I think we're fucked. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) He's not the alternative he's the result. If legitimate 3rd party candidates had a real shot he would've never gotten this far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I suppose, but every time there's been a third party candidate that has gained any traction, he's been terrible. Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader... even Donald Trump himself made a third party attempt in 2000 and got a lot further than he should have. And then there's the Libertarians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago Yeah they're usually plants to draw votes away permalink fedilink source parent [–] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago It’s because the two-party system is a systemic problem. Our winner-take-all voting system always punishes similar candidates, so if similar groups don’t form a coalition and choose a single candidate to run for them, they will cannibalize each other and surely lose. So, you inevitably end up with two parties each representing all the factions on one side of the spectrum. As a result, anybody on the national level who decides to run as a third party candidate (a) doesn’t understand our voting system, (b) is just doing it for the publicity, or (c) is out of their mind. If we had a different voting system that did not punish similar candidates (like ranked choice), not only would quality third parties be possible, they would be inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) He's not the alternative he's the result. If legitimate 3rd party candidates had a real shot he would've never gotten this far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I suppose, but every time there's been a third party candidate that has gained any traction, he's been terrible. Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader... even Donald Trump himself made a third party attempt in 2000 and got a lot further than he should have. And then there's the Libertarians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago Yeah they're usually plants to draw votes away permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I suppose, but every time there's been a third party candidate that has gained any traction, he's been terrible. Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader... even Donald Trump himself made a third party attempt in 2000 and got a lot further than he should have. And then there's the Libertarians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago Yeah they're usually plants to draw votes away permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago Yeah they're usually plants to draw votes away permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago It’s because the two-party system is a systemic problem. Our winner-take-all voting system always punishes similar candidates, so if similar groups don’t form a coalition and choose a single candidate to run for them, they will cannibalize each other and surely lose. So, you inevitably end up with two parties each representing all the factions on one side of the spectrum. As a result, anybody on the national level who decides to run as a third party candidate (a) doesn’t understand our voting system, (b) is just doing it for the publicity, or (c) is out of their mind. If we had a different voting system that did not punish similar candidates (like ranked choice), not only would quality third parties be possible, they would be inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent