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Here we are - 3600 which was still under manufacture 2-3 years ago are not get patched. Shame on you AMD, if it is true.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Tangent: If we started buying risc-v systems we might get to a point where they can actually compete.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's still far away from us as a consumer standpoint, but I'm eagerly waiting for a time when I could buy a RISC V laptop with atleast midrange computing capabalities

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I‘m more on the builder/tinkerer side so I‘m pretty much in starting position with risc-v now. But yes, its going to be some time before any of it is user ready as a pc.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Framework has a laptop in progress if you're interested

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Indeed I am. I‘m in posession of a working laptop but I could maybe order a riscv tablet from pine64. I already have the pinetime and the stuff is pretty awesome.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well the Star64 from Pine is pretty good, just doesn't have enough processing power and IO for my liking.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As in efficient per watt or some other metric?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm not buying hardware that doesn't suit my needs as an investment hoping maybe it eventually will.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

This is one of the hardest earned lessons I’ve ever learned, and I’ve had to learn it over and over again. I think it’s mostly stuck now but I still make the same mistake from time to time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, thats the reason why we‘re in this capitalist hellhole. Perfection comes from billionaire money, nothing else.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What are you talking about perfection?

Buying something that doesn't function is never rational.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm not buying hardware that doesn't suit my needs as an investment hoping maybe it eventually will.

You were misrepresenting things. Your needs have nothing to do with things not being functional. Something can be perfectly functional and not meet someones needs. Nobody said you should buy it as an investment.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My interpretation was by far the most generous to your position, because it's the only way it's coherent.

If people bought [this hardware that doesn't actually provide anything anyone can realistically use at a reasonable price] it might eventually not suck. That's treating a current purchase as an imaginary investment in maybe eventually being able to buy something useful.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My interpretation was by far the most generous to your position, because it's the only way it's coherent.

You’re entitled to your opinion, I guess.

hardware that doesn't actually provide anything anyone can realistically use

Thats misrepresenting reality and making assumptions while clearly showing lack of expertise

at a reasonable price

Thats completely arbitrary. If a price is reasonable or not depends on many factors. Obvious oversymplification.

That's treating a current purchase as an imaginary investment in maybe eventually being able to buy something useful.

This shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. Small companies and open source projects depend on people buying their products instead of cheaper, sometimes better performing products of big conglomerates for other reasons than price alone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Value is absolutely not arbitrary.

"Reasonable" means comparable with x86/ARM at the same performance level. Anything more is, by definition, not capable of being reasonably priced.

You're again advocating for an imaginary investment in a bad product.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah no. Forget it. We‘re not speaking the same language.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Jeff Geerling had a video recently about the state of RISC V for desktop. https://youtu.be/YxtFctEsHy0?si=SUQBiepSeOne8-2u

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I really enjoyed watching it. Thanks for referring to it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

At the rate we are going Qualcomm might pivot to Risc-V (they are being sued by ARM)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Interesting! Thanks for chiming in. I‘ll read up about it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm waiting to see how DeepComputing's RISC-V mainboard for the Framework turns out. I'm aware that this is very much a development platform and far from an actual end-user product, but if the price is right, I might jump in to experiment.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Sounds like a cool idea! :)