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With JD Vance and all the fake populism, and now this. I don't see any other path than the fascist one. Might be best to start looking at options to flee this hellhole.

UPDATE: They now have on a member of the Steamfitters union who is a "lifelong Democrat"... Yeah it's pretty much over

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Give it a try and see how it goes.

We don't have to resign to fascism, resistance remains possible under much worse circumstances than ours (for example, invasion by Nazi Germany, pre-internet, etc.) If you want exacts, figure out how to support your community right now. Mutual aid groups, community gardens, food not bombs, IWW/union drives etc. If the plan is just tell people that Trump is bad... that's kind of just resignation to fascism isn't it? I mean, so long as that's the beginning and end of what you wanna do. Obviously doing that + actual resistance is totally different.

You can try to change the GOP from the inside but they have ideological guardrails just as strong as the dems do against socialism and against actual democracy. You just aren't aware of them necessarily cause presumably you were never brought up in that culture.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

No it is not just telling people Trump is bad, it is things we haven't gone far enough to do such as actively campaign to devalue Trump's fist pumping image rather than circlejerk ourselves over it being iconic and for the textbooks already. What about outright incepting the idea into the non-MAGAs about how this shooting was Trump's fault, which 38 percent of voters already believe it is? What if what we do now to contextualize that "iconic" moment turns its caption in the history books to "The last gasp of life for the extinct MAGA movement?"

We love making fun of libs here for how they are too scared to do anything mask off that might actually be electorally effective. Well, leftists aren't restricted by that, and it's only us who have the power to make that more potent flavor of rhetoric that gives words to what the Dem base actually wants to say publicly and can win through. The chud Nazis are self-serious and when they are not in total executive power yet they lose soft power when made into subjects of piercing ridicule. When we undercut every post they make honoring the racist shooting victim by mentioning he was a bloodthirsty Zionist whose death was kinda funny, they actually become more demoralized than they are galvanized.

Only leftists can make the kind of propaganda that liberals crave viscerally but are too married to their self-perceptions as "the adults in the room" to make. The mutual aid groups we build will be a reaction to the fascist harms we can no longer avoid. What I am talking about is a pro-action to impactfully wound the Nazis as they attempt to rise that only leftists have the wherewithal to do.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I'm all for resisting fascism. The question is to what end, what exactly does delegitimizing the center right democratic party's opposition accomplish when they have a demonstrated willingness to target and sacrifice marginal groups in the pursuit of compromise with the fascists? Labour just won an astonishing victory in the UK. Unforced by opposition they are going after trans people, trans people who presumably helped give them that historic win.

By all means we should stop fascism where we can. But I'm not convinced doing it in this context, primarily as a messaging and PR win that will, let's be honest, only benefit Democrats, really moves the ball.

Or maybe I'm just in a bad mood. Feels ominous here lately.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

While the Democrats deserve no help, this original post is about how we should resign ourselves to fascism because the Teamsters are at the RNC. Doesn't that imply that we at least prefer they not be there, even if it means being at the DNC? We should focus on moving the needle toward what we want. The Dems may stand to benefit and piggyback off us for power, but what other option is there really at the point. If we genuinely believed that Trump and fascism have won and the only option is mutual aid groups for when he is in power, Hexbear would be filled with posts on mutual aid groups building. But we clearly don't believe in that deep down yet or at least have some residual hope of something different, and we can work chasing that feeling.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're talking yourself into opportunism. It's a bad sign that Teamsters are at the RNC, but that doesn't mean we should be trying to get them to go to the DNC (and they are anyway, I think). We should be pulling them, and everyone else, towards communism, not just a slightly less barbaric neoliberalism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes but what do you believe pulling them entails

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Agitating directly for the destruction of the imperialist, capitalist state.

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