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Kyiv children’s hospital hit as Russian missile attack kills at least 29 in Ukraine
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 08 Jul 2024
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THIS is what they're using their missles for???
For a moment, lets forget the morality of it for just a moment. Because I don't think anyone would argue that this is a bitch move on russias part, and we all empathise with Ukraine. Nobody is saying this was morally right. So for a moment lets forget the moral side of this.
Is this even a good use of their weapons? One missle in exchange for 29 deaths? And none of them are millitary, nor would they have become military any time soon.
I feel like you could send one guy with a machine gun, and take out 29 guys from the military if you planned it right.
From my understanding, russia has limited missles, and THIS is what they're doing??? This doesn't help them in any way. Plus as we saw in Vietnam, bombing cities of civilians as an invader doesn't break the country you're invading, it motivates people into joining the military.
So you just killed 29 kids, and I assume partially destroyed a hospital. That probably motivated 2,000 more young adults to fight.
Is russia stupid? Or are they bad at aiming? Is there anything else in the region that could have benefitted them more by hitting? Maybe a military barracks? Maybe a staging ground?
Because I can't think of one single smart reason to target a hospital with a missle, for how much they cost, and how back and forth this war is.
Either way, fuck russia.
I would argue - again, as you said, no morale here - it is a very tactical move.
The more civilians die, the less there is support for the war to go on. Yes, some do feel more radicalized ("now I have nothing left to lose") but I have come to learn that a majority feels just demoralized ("how many more need to die until this is stopped?").
(Please note: whatever you or I think we would feel in that situation is irrelevant, you can't know unless you are in this very conflict right now, and also - any kind of thinking and feeling and emotion is valid. Both and everything in between makes sense.)
The more civilians die or are harmed/attacked, the less the public feels safe. They aren't because they know they are as much a target as a brigade. They know their enemy is ruthless. After over two years of constant fear and panic and death around you, you might very well start to disagree with a hardline position ("fight until Ukraine is free and Russia is defeated"). I've heard from much more refugees than I would have ever expected that they just want the conflict to end, yes, with losses on the Ukrainian side, with compromises that are not fair, but that they just want it to stop. Zelensky is losing popularity by the day because he has created that public image of someone who is not willing to compromise at any cost. Now imagine how amazing it must feel to Putin that people are mad that Zelensky cancelled the presidential election. It is obvious from the outside that holding an election, let alone changing a president in the middle of a war is insanity. For a lot of people, it is angering, since they don't feel like the war will ever realistically stop with Zelensky in power.
The other effect of targeting civilians like that is of course that you drive them out of the country. You create a refugee crisis. You destabilize Europe, look at Germany, we constantly bitch about tOo MaNy RefUGeeS. It creates tension, it creates a financial drain, people don't want to support the war with missiles anymore. It has already cost "their country" (i.e. Germany etc) too much.
So, yes, "only" 29 people have been confirmed dead so far. But the damage this missile created is much, much bigger than "just" 29 deaths. In some ways, this incredibly vicious tactic is brilliant.
Eh. Brilliant is maybe a stretch. Acknowledging the abject horror of the situation and putting it aside for the moment, this isn’t the first war where civilians have been targeted intentionally by bombing, and it certainly won’t be the last. Historically, the response to terror bombing such as this has been mixed, as such things are highly dependent on the population in question. Generally, however, the balance leans toward it being mostly a waste of resources. I’m sure the Russians think they’re doing some 4D chess maneuver, but from my perspective they’re just wasting valuable weapons systems (the missile that hit the hospital costs well in excess of one million dollars per and was part of a barrage) on targets which provide little or no military utility.
If I had to guess, this is more about domestic propaganda than anything else, but that’s just conjecture.
From what i know, Russia really likes using the tactic of 'carpet bombing'. They just aim a bunch of these vaguely in a direction of a city and call it a day. Because who cares about the Geneva Convebtions, right?
It was aimed at that hospital in particular, it was a Kh-101 precision cruise missile (costs between 3m$ and 13m$, btw). https://continental-defence.com/kh-101-missile-precision-strike-capabilities-and-advanced-technology
It’s a great use of missiles, breaks the will of the people
However Russia claims they missed
Isn't that......worse? Think about it.
"Yeah, we TOTALLY meant to destroy the childrens hospital. We aren't denying that we're evil enough to target it. We're just saying that our intel tells us that we're too incompetent to actually aim our own equipment properly."
Meanwhile, real life shows us that they DID hit their target. So if you take them at face value, they're admitting to being morons who don't know what their doing, and real life backs up those claims in ways they aren't even claiming to know about.
No like they weren’t aiming for the children’s hospital, it was just an honest mistake
I have always thought it does the opposite: you get a bunch of people hell bent on revenge.
A lot of people will die for their country but not a lot will kill their children for it