Men's Liberation
This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.
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Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren't talking over men expressing their own lived experiences.
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Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
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Nowhere in the article does it say "help out", that's on you OP. Dads aren't helping out when it's their own family, they're involved in their family life.
Edit... Apologies, it does say that. It's on the author then. Dads are members of their own family, not outside help.
It's the title from the article. The words help and out are literally the 3rd and 4th words on the page.
Omg sorry, I didn't see it somehow 🤦♀️
Did you think I made up the title lol?
And I get what you mean. But the data seems to say that women are the primary caregivers. If men were to do most of the cooking, wouldn’t we say women are helping in the kitchen? Maybe lawn care is a more realistic example. I think the second party is often described as “helping out”
I did, yeah, sorry 😄
No, when someone on a team is doing their job, you don't call it helping, you just call it doing your job. I'm not helping by doing laundry, I'm just doing laundry. I'm not babysitting, I'm taking care of my kids. I'm not helping with cooking, I'm making dinner. And so on.
Women are the primary caregivers because men aren't doing their part, not because they aren't helping. It is their job to be a partner and an active participating adult as well as the woman's.
The kids help sometimes but the man is doing his job.