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The Labour party has won over 400 seats (out of 650) in the 2024 UK General Elections, and Keir Starmer is expected to replace Rishi Sunak as Prime Minister. The Conservatives, in power for the last fourteen years, have suffered a rout, losing over two-thirds of their seats. The SNP has collapsed in Scotland, mostly to Labour, and the Liberal Democrats have gained over sixty seats.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago (5 children)

An overwhelming majority by seats but only 33% of the popular vote.

36% voted Tory/Reform so voters have not shifted left but split the more right wing vote

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

We already have the left wing vote split by Labour, Lib Dem and Green.

If you want to claim the 36%, you'll need to add up the left wing parties together.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not left wing. Just left.

None of them are left wing (maybe Green has some left wing stuff?)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

green is definately left wing, they're hardly anti immigration and pro-big business, anti environmental regulation, are they?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"no right wing talking points" is hardly left wing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I have never heard of them be referred to as anything centrist. I don't know why you think they're not left wing, but from what I've heard from you in this thread, I don't particularly think learning about the mechanism of your mind is likely to give me any uplifting insights into humanity nor politics.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You know it's a sliding scale, right?

There's not just three choices.

There's Far-side, side-wing, side, side-leaning, center-side for both (plus center).

Then you have fiscal Vs moral lean on both sides.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

But that's better than nothing, right?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

And ~54% of the votes went to left(ish) parties, so that's something

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I fear that next election reform is going to do much better.

In the mean time, Labor may not have much of a mandate for progressive policies, they'll be creeping to the right to quell support for reform party.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Or having them in parliament might expose them as the one trick pony that they are.

I think Labour have to have a real effect on things in the next 5 years to show that the system can work. That will take the wind out of the right's sails more than anything. Most of the reform vote is people feeling ignored, trod upon, thrown away. Labour has to make the people feel supported.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps.

I'm less optimistic. The world over voters seem to be drawn towards these populist assholes, and I think it's important to note that the UK is not an exception, despite the labour victory.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Starmers first few speeches in power actually make me optimistic, and I didn't vote for him. If he can truly deliver on being "country before party", and making "personal gain the politics of the past". It's only a words right now, but the cabinet appointments (especially the 3 from outside the party) look good.

It's all down to results.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

And socially progressive parties got 56% of the vote. But that's split between about 4 parties.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Its missleading to bass too much on that analysis. The parties don't compete for the popular vote but to concentrate votes within seats they feel they can win.

No one was aiming to win the popular vote. I agree that's a problem but we can't really read to much into the split imo.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Let's hope my doomongering is just that, with other countries in Europe starting to swing that way I hope it's not sign of the future.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

So you're tallying the right wing and comparing vs one party on the "left"?