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I mostly shop at Costco and am not struggling so maybe my perspective is skewed but it seems like food prices have been coming down recently, and I haven't noticed any shortages. If you think it feels like things are being covered up that sounds a little paranoid and conspiratorial to me, food distribution in the US is a huge and complicated system involving a whole lot of people, it seems completely implausible that a cover up of a major food crisis would even be possible. There's just too many people who would notice (and there isn't any kind of centralized hierarchy involved that could pull something like that off). I don't see the relevance of shale oil production, the US produces plenty of oil to be both self sufficient and one of the largest oil exporters in the world. If you're concerned the US doesn't have enough oil or something like that you really shouldn't be.
What do you mean you don't see the relevance of shale oil production?
How did the price of oil affect the raisins in the shelf? Why relate the two?
Agriculture depends heavily on oil.
Dude you need more than that, the availability of labour affects agriculture too would it be fair to claik thensupposed food shortage is related to excess desths due to covid.
What are you talking about? It's a major factor. I didn't say it was the only factor.
How is it creating a food shortage? It would be a factor in a price increase not a shortage.
Everything is connected.
So you dont have anything worthwhile to say then, could have started with that.
What? What do you think I mean by that? I'm making a basic statement about reality that seems foreign to you, not one of those mystical things people say. All of these factors in agriculture are intertwined especially the way in which oil pervades the production process.
Bring supporting evidence to your argument. You have just said vague shit the whole time.
I'm confused. What do you want evidence for? Seems like various common knowledge being mentioned. And why do you think I'm making some big argument? I'm trying to have a broader discussion, more like brainstorming, not a debate. Why all the fuss?
It feels like you're incessantly going after me in a bad faith discussion style.
You came back here after two weeks to make more nonsense statements, hoe is that me going after you? You reopened dialogue and are now complaining.
You said something, made a claim and just have acted like it is some sort of common knowledge generally accepted certainty of life. You have not made any sense.
I think you are part of that other completely different culture that is now colliding with ours and we just have no clue how to talk to you people and you have no clue how to talk to us. You seem very rude to me. What makes sense to you and which you take for granted seems completely nonsensical to me, and vice versa. I don't even know where to begin. It's like you're speaking a different language entirely.
Seek help
You are so incredibly mean.
That wasnt mean, it is genuine concern. I dont know how to talk to you, you dont make sense to me.
I actually have mental health struggles. I take meds every day. I'm at baseline. When someone says "seek help" and I'm fine it's insulting and demeaning. I'm doing nothing wrong. You're being rude to me. This whole thread is about a food crisis that a lot of people on here agree is happening, most in fact, and you are in denial of their experience with this aggressive rhetoric. If you think oil production is unrelated to food production there are better ways to express yourself on that.
I understand your grievance and that is fair, I apologise for being rude. I sincerely believe that you have not said anything of substance regarding the ties between oil and food shortages. I am not denying a link but I am questioning the strength of the link, which you implied was very strong.
Food shortage, I do not know your experience in your region but it could be the case. Generally speaking when logistics increase on costs, so do the prices on staples like food. It isnt the case that food would become scarce, at least not at this level of increase.
I mean I don't see how it has anything to do with allegations of a secret food crisis, it seems like a non sequitur.
Literally agriculture depends heavily on oil.
It's a lot more complicated than that. Even if we accept a simplified model where "more oil = more agriculture", the US has seen massive growth in oil production over the past decade so it contradicts the claim that there's food shortages because of oil production. If there are food shortages happening right now it's not at all related to oil production in the US.
I'm referring to shale oil peaking. That's the only reason oil production has increased in the United States recently - shale oil production increasing massively over the last decade. I saw something that seemed to indicate the US shale oil peaking which would be a major factor in food production going forward and may have spooked the markets and thereby disrupted supply chains. What do you think I mean by 'factor' or 'depends heavily on'? When someone is brainstorming it's common courtesy not to get all dismissive and degrading, also basic decency.