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On the Internet, what is a dead giveaway that someone is actually a kid? (lemmy.ml)
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[โ€“] 88 points 2 years ago (23 children)

When they're adamant that voting third party in the United States will be useful in some capacity, I assume they're 13

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

    I don't assume they are 13, but they at least aren't old enough to remember what happened in 2016.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Or any other election year, for that matter. I don't think a third party candidate has gotten a significant voter block in 100 years.

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  • [โ€“] 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Ross Perot got 18.9% of the popular vote in 1992. While he didnโ€™t get any electoral votes he likely prevented a second HW Bush term.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    the analysis shows perot damaged Clinton's margin of victory.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Source on this? I was young but I remember that election. Perot seemed to be like some kind of ultracapitalist "run the country like a business" moron that people respected because he was rich. My grandpa loved him and I rarely heard him talk politics. He was also only educated to the sixth grade for what that's worth.

    Seems like the kind of guy to take a bite out of the conservative vote.

    I'm gonna fix my ignorance and go look him up right now though.

    Edit-- I'm back, learned a lot. I love that he supported electronic direct democracy way back in 1992. He was in favor of gun control and money for AIDS research. Openly supported gay rights in 1996 but notably not until his second campaign when he really had no chance.

    He didn't believe trickle down economics worked. Was a billionaire who spoke against greed which is really strange. But me calling him an ultracapitalist is probably misplaced. Also not a moron. He was into taxing the wealthy, starting to like this guy, but balancing the budget by cutting social programs, nevermind do not like.

    He opposed outsourcing factory jobs and favored environmental protection. He wanted to decrease the budgets of both the military and NASA. Wanted to cancel the space station.

    Quite the complicated guy. I love some of his policies and hate others. Seems like a weird mix when viewed through a modern lens. I think I'd have considered voting for him if I was ten years older in '92. Probably would have voted for Clinton though who notably achieved one of Perot's primary goals, which was to balance the budget.

    So I ended up researching Clinton's campaign and it was straight up racist against black people. He also pledged to end welfare "as we know it". I think I actually would have voted for Perot! Maybe there's something to what you're saying about reducing Clinton's margin of victory.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 2 years ago

    Yep. A third party candidate hasn't gotten a single electoral college vote since George Wallace, and the only time a third party has done better than either a Democrat or a Republican was with Theodore Roosevelt and his Bull Moose party, which crushed Taft but got absolutely obliterated in turn by Wilson due to the spoiler effect.

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I know a full grown adult that does that in every election. Local elections, sure, I can understand, but he does that with all of them, Basically a card carrying communist that's a useful idiot for right wing politicians.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 2 years ago

    You would need some real insurance that others were commuted to vote 3rd party no matter what. Otherwise the real benifit is just getting to that 5% mark where third parties get some bennies like federal funding and automatic ballot access in some places. Which is minor vs say stopping a campaign of vengeance from a candidate who has acted feloniously already and has abused his position to black bag political opponents before.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Why not vote 3rd party in states that only go one direction? Take NY for instance. What the fuck harm comes from voting 3rd party assholes for president? One time the state elected a republican candidate and it was (still is I think) the largest landslide in history. I'm 36 and have always hated the 2 party system. It's been easier and easier as I got older too with increasing political polarity.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Because if enough people do that, it actually can result in that state not "doing what it always does."

    Assuming voting for X is going to result in Y getting elected over Z "anyways" is not a good strategy for getting what you want.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)

    What I want is more than 2 fucking options. What you are assuming is that I wouldn't get what I want if a conservative won NY. For this to happen there would need to be a mass exodus of democrats abandoning their party to vote conservative. So for that to happen either the democratic candidate is God awful or the conservative is a homerun. Either way I dont give a fuck.

    I vote for my interests in state and local elections. Presidential elections in NY are the least concerning elections as they should be for every fuckin American.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    This, comments like "Presidential elections in NY are the least concerning elections as they should be for every fuckin American" is how you know someone is a kid. Saying the presidential election is the least concerning election? The guy who appoints Supreme Court Justices that shape our laws and lives? The guy who basically runs the country, don't worry about that one. What the actual fuck lol.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Gave my age in the parent comment of the one you replied to mid-thread. Unless you already saw it and are asserting that my age qualifies me as a child! In that case, my receding hair line is flattered!

    Overreacting to comments that don't align with your own doesn't give away age but sure as shit shows your maturity.

    Read my parent comments for better context and if you need help understanding the fundamentals of federal, state and local elections, I'm happy to explain further! ๐Ÿป

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Well first, you can lie, it's the Internet, it's known to happen from time to time. You could be older but I find that idea worrying and a little depressing.

    Secondly, me pointing out that saying "presedetail elections should be the least concerning to everyone" is just straight ignorance. I mean you don't even seem to understand the impact of the Supreme Court on every day citizens alone (abortion rights much) and how they are appointed, why would I bother sift through your nonsense comments lol.

    Either way, hope you get some good information/education from all the responses people are giving ya! ๐Ÿป

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So you didn't read the comments that added context lol. Starting to think this is more of a reading comprehension issue lol.

    So Ill give you the outline:

    I live in NY.

    There would have to be like 5 million democrats voting republican to even create a scenario where my voting 3rd party affected the outcome.

    NY goes democratic every election no matter what my vote is for. For that reason the presidential election is the least important election.

    The quote you keep taking out of context emphasized the importance of voting for EVERY elected official because even with Roe v Wade over turned nothing has changed where I live for how abortions are handled.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Yes, so let me introduce this concept called "swing states" where it is not like NY. There, votes matter. So them voting does matter and have an impact. Either way, even if you know your state will go one way, the outcome of the election is still very impactful to citizens.

    You said the presidential election should be the least concerning election for everyone. That's just wrong. Swing states have power and the president can impact everyone. It is very consequential to multiple people.

    If you're upset that NY is always blue blame republicans who are against getting rid of the electoral college and having rank choice voting.

    Or you can just keep insulting me because I disagree with you, that's a very Republican move.

    But sure, over turning Row v Wade hasn't impacted you directly so it doesn't matter. No one should be concerned about the president because big changes to law haven't impacted you so they shouldn't matter to anyone. Jfc... Some people were impacted you know, you are aware of that right? And that was a direct result of the president that was elected selecting a conservative justice. But hey, it didn't effect you so it shouldn't matter to anyone right?

    "Presidential elections in NY are the least concerning elections as they should be for every fuckin American."

    You can say I have a comprehension issues all you want, but you seem to think all voters shouldn't care about the presidental election because it won't impact you in NY, big lol.

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  • [+] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
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  • [โ€“] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I agree with you. Do you think people become more conservative with age or is it society becoming more progressive and leaving them behind? Obviously ignoring the current regressive times of the last eight+ years there.

    To contribute an answer to the original question I offer this post as evidence of age- thinking about how much has changed during my life may have come through above.

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