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You've gotta defend for an infinite amount of time, but they've only gotta succeed once.
Yep, and as I pointed out in another comment in this thread, Chat Control isn't the only piece of legislation like this that's in the works.
Considering that the extreme right just won big, I have no doubt that one of these fascist surveillance packages will go through. Yeah, at first it may be used for catching criminals, until it isn't
Nono, it will always only be used to catch criminals, that won't change...it's what makes someone a criminal that changes.
Ha, fuckin' touché
Someone won big yachts from Putin.
Actually it was the Left wing that mainly voted yes for this. Just saying.
Source? In Germany at least that's not the case, it's mainly the conservatives who push for it. In the original vote, only the greens clearly opposed it. Later on, SPD (center-left) and FDP (liberal) changed course to also oppose it. Couldn't find results for other countries though, so I'm genuinely curious.
The labels get confusing especially between countries, but left and right are normally viewed as being economic policy classifications, but you can have authoritarians on right and left and all need to be fought.
I don't think that's accurate, there's a social axis from left to right too.
I think of authoritarian as being up and down, and social and economic views as left and right. Check out the political compass if you haven't. It would be nice if it was 3D with economic and social policy being separated though.
I've seen the compass, but in real life conversation when people say left or right they don't exclusively mean economic views. For example, access to abortion or LGBT rights are generally seen as supported by the left and opposed by the right.
You're right it's reductive, and really there are many dimensions to political thought.
Exactly, and I try to point people to things like this to try to break that left vs right thought. I hope it helps someone.
I'm left on some issues, right on some, and disagree with both on others, and I think that's pretty common for most people. However, we only get two realistic options, and they split up issues and "force" you to pick which basket you prefer. I'm worried people will slowly adopt views from the basket they pick since the alternative is needing to pick the other basket.
Anyway, rant over. :)
I did found: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ All the red countries where in favor actually. Yellow were in research. Green is opposed.
here is the document itself: https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-11316-2024-INIT/fr/pdf#page=4
Doesn't change who's in charge now
I believe all parties in EU are not really understanding technology in general. So I think it's a very bad decision to give these people power over these kinds of rules. They just have no idea what they are doing frankly.
Yep, no disagreement there. This sort of mass surveillance is a fucking terrible idea no matter who's behind the wheel
exactly, they these people are constantly trying to come up mass surveillance, over and over and over again. Never ending story.
There are pirates. Well, after last elections it seems to be the pirate. Only one.
Yes. Technically, a similar vote could repeal the law just as easily but there is a history of governments not giving their power away easily; implementing it also sets a precedent and creates technical enforcement options for other governments willing to go through with something similar in the future, or for hackers to exploit because gov-rooted devices will remain in operation for years after the potential repeal.