Fewer than three weeks before actor Alec Baldwin is due to go on trial in Santa Fe, New Mexico, prosecutors have said that he “engaged in horseplay with the revolver”, including firing a blank round at a crew member on the set of Rust before the tragic accident occurred.

Baldwin is facing involuntary manslaughter charges in the 2021 shooting death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.

In new court documents, prosecutors said they plan to bring new evidence to support their case that the 66-year-old actor and producer was reckless with firearms while filming on the set and displayed “erratic and aggressive behavior during the filming” that created potential safety concerns.

Prosecutors in the case, which is due to go to trial on 10 July, have previously alleged that to watch Baldwin’s conduct on the set of Rust “is to witness a man who has absolutely no control of his own emotions and absolutely no concern for how his conduct affects those around him”.

In the latest filing, special prosecutors Kari Morrissey and Erlinda Johnson allege that Baldwin pointed his gun and fired “a blank round at a crew member while using that crew member as a line of site as his perceived target”.

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[–] 27 points 2 years ago (83 children)

Actors miming shooting looks ridiculous. Like laser tag guns. Actual recoil looks much more realistic.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (60 children)

    The must be a way to create "false" gun in the sense that they only takes blanks and have nonfunctional barrels. Or I'm I too optimistic?

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (22 children)

    Unfortunately, guns are deceptively simple. Just about anything that can detonate a realistic looking blank is capable of firing an actual bullet. And even if it's just a blank, any obstruction in the barrel can end up becoming an ad-hoc projectile by the force. Every once in a while, you have that happen in Civil War re-enactments.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (20 children)

    We could get around this by having specific calibers that only come in blanks.

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  • [+] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (19 children)
  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    Ok but that's a separate issue and something that can happen with a regular gun loaded with a regular caliber blank, what they're saying is fake guns for movies should use a caliber for which no bullets exist, solving the main part of the issue, i.e. the fact that someone can load a normal bullet in a gun that is to be used as a prop.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    This would help avoid this specific death, but not most others where the projectile wasn't an actual bullet from a live round, but something stuck in the barrel, like the other person says.

    This situation was unusual in the sense that an incompetent armorer had live rounds on set, and the gun was loaded with one.

    What I mean is that the main part of the issue is exactly not this.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    If the armorer wasn't willfully negligent it wouldn't be a problem. Not a problem for the vast majority of film sets. Just pure lack of professionalism from the armorer whose sole core responsibility is to ensure safety.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    if Baldwin wasn't waiving a gun around like a moron, a negligent armorer wouldn't have been a problem, either.

    the armorer being negligent (and she was), doesn't mean that Baldwin wasn't also being negligent. and lets be perfectly clear: the reason Gutierrez-Reed was hired over other more professional armorers is precisely because she was "less professional"- or more bluntly, because she was willing to not insist on proper safety protocols that caused delays in shooting.

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  • [+] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Woah woah woah. Baldwin should be allowed to do whatever the fuck he wants with a prop gun. If an armorer gives him a gun on a set, why would he reasonably believe it was able to hurt or kill someone?

    because it's a fucking weapon. he knew it was a weapon.

    secondly, it was Hall (another producer) that gave him the weapon, not HGR.

    thirdly, you don't fuck around with even the non-firing propguns precisely because of how easy it is to mistake them. He fucked around, and Alyna Hutchins found out. Ergo, it's negligent homicide

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Wouldn't the live round have shot someone no matter what? The point of a blank round is so you can aim a gun at someone and not kill them.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Uhm.

    That’s not how Blanks work

    And even if there is some how no wadding They can still be lethal

    You cannot render a functional weapon (blank firing or “real” or whatever you want to call it,) totally safe.

    Which is why you should always treat them as something that will kill you given half the chance. (It was literally made to do just that.)

    And you should always treat look alikes as if they were real because a) they’re easy to mistake for real ones and vice versa and b) the other people may not realize it’s a prop. (On a movie set, unlikely, but you never know who’s around and how they will respond. Or where an active shooter is going to appear.)

    As for the cartridges, usually there’s tell tales of one sort or another. For dummy rounds it’s common to press the otherwise empty cartridge with a ball bearing or two so they rattle when shaken. Sometimes they also have a small hole on the wall of the casing

    Blanks are, by their nature, lacking the bullet and the top is simply crimped to hold the wadding.

    All it would have taken was a proper inspection to verify that it was unloaded/loaded with dummy rounds. Or, alternatively, Baldwin not pointing it at people.

    Which leads me to the final thing you should always do: check the damn weapon. Don’t trust armorers. They’re people, too. They make mistakes, they fuck up.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Can I ask what the point of this screed was? I'm aware blanks are dangerous. That's irrelevant. There was a real bullet in the chamber. At some point, even if it was a blank, it would have been pointed at someone and the trigger pulled.

    The point appears to be "check the damn weapon", which of course you could have said without 'educating' me, and wouldn't have been undercut with going on endlessly about wadding.

    That point is a terrible one because the armourer is the expert, and is the one who should be signing the gun off as safe every time it is opened, not an actor who neither is required to have qualifications nor skills in clearing a gun as safe. If an actor interferes with the weapon, the armourer has to check it again.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    It’s stupidly easy to check a firearm. You don’t have to be an expert to do it. For most fire arms it takes 5-10 seconds.

    A large part of the “experts” job is to know what is and is not safe protocol, and to enforce it. Part of that includes teaching everyone who’s handling a weapon how to…. Handle a weapon safely.

    no question, the armorer fucked up. She’s human. Humans make mistakes. Which is why you check the damn weapon, too. An expert doesn’t mean they don’t make mistakes. An expert means they’ve made enough they should know better. (Or have learned from an older expert.)

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    HGR definitely didn't do right here but a lot more went wrong. This was a perfect storm of negligence. Multiple people could have taken minor stands to have prevented this tragic tale. So many people spoke out and zero action was taken to address their concerns.

    A layered safety approach is a great idea. But it only works when at least one person in a position to do so does what's right.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Multiple people could have taken minor stands to have prevented this tragic tale

    Hutchins took one of those stands filing a union complaint about the safety violations, how tinfoily you wanna get?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    In Blade Runner 2049, Weta Workshop had their laser pistols set up with a solenoid that moved back and forth with a trigger pull. Adam Savage looked at them in a Tested video. I don't know if it's cost prohibitive, but it sure seemed like the right way to do it.

    However, you don't get smoke with that. You can definitely rig something up as they did it with a knock off nerf blaster in the 80's or even a cap gun, but at some point I assume the level of complexity makes modifying a real gun cheaper.

    You could weld shut the barrel of a gun, which is what a lot of them do, but it seems like it's a cost cutting measure when they used real guns that would retain their value. Alec (as a producer) used a cheap setup with a cheap armorer that didn't know what they were doing. It's both of their faults.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Man, I am a cinema buff and I just really don't think I care if the smoke is there at all, much less just right. Obviously botched attempts at realism are another matter entirely but this just seems like an area ripe for creativity and artistic reinterpretation.

    Point is, we cede ground to the theater of the mind all the time, I don't know why realistic gunfire can't be treated similarly, and I think the lack of verisimilitude itself could be approached many different ways and that's even kind of exciting.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Smoke is easy to add in post. Muzzle flash is a little bit harder but also of course very possible.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Having seen Furiosa last night and finding out that they actually digitally manipulated the two actress' faces playing her so that one aged into the other... there's nothing not possible for CG at this point.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    A blank killed Brandon Lee while filming The Crow.

    Although I don't know the details admittedly.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Yeah, you would think you could just change the chambers and bullets so only a certain standard of blanks would fit in it, although I guess those guns would become more expensive than the real mass produced ones.

    Either way, this is all the result of Baldwin as executive producer cheaping out on every aspect of this shoot, causing this to happen.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Some guns are modified in that way for movies. They are still potentially dangerous. Blanks can harm someone close enough or accidentally propel something lodged in the barrel.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I know some pistols have a co2 blow back system that you can install on your gun so you can practice drawing and dry firing without fear of damaging the gun or hurting people. The only one I know of is for glocks but I'm sure a company could make them for more models.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    At that point one should should buy the gas blowback replica that the manufacturer licensed for airsoft. It'll have identical wright and balance, the trigger can usually be tuned to match, and it'll dry fire with about half recoil. It'll plink on target at 40' once the hop-up is calibrated. Should be a modest $150-250 for common Glock, Sig, etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    What recoil? They are shooting blanks. There is no mass leaving the gun. If you want to cycle the gun on trigger pull in a realistic yet safe way, compressed CO2 can be used. Some movie guns are even electrically/magnetically actuated.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I mean 5-10 grams of vaporized gunpowder leaves the barrel at fairly high speed. It's not a lead round but it's not nothing. Also the spent brass being ejected is not easy to CGI convincingly.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Good points. The gun would have to cycle with CO2 or magnets and feed from a magazine empty casings so that the ejector continues to do its job.

    Yet so many movies just add the sound of casings hitting the ground so I wonder if the hassle is worth it except for some specific shots. I enjoy the realism but I'd rather people not put their lives needlessly at risk.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    You do know how physics works, right? There is an explosion in the chamber that moves the slide/bolt backward to rack another round of course there will be recoil. Have you ever fired a black powder gun with no bullet in it? There is still a recoil.

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