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Some clues :

Douglas P. Fry : Pacified Past
Azar Gat : Warfare as an Ancient Feature
Robert L. Carneiro : Complexity and State Formation

Was the 20th century one of the most violent in human history ? (with two world wars and numerous other conflicts) ?

i also like the documentary series : "The Ascent of man" from the BBC in 1973 by Jacob Bronowski.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Have you read Better Angels of Our Nature? He argues the opposite.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

i did not read it but, for people out of the loop, here is what i found about it :

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"The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined" is a fascinating book written by Steven Pinker, a Canadian cognitive psychologist and popular author.

Published in 2011, the book presents a comprehensive and data-driven argument that violence has declined significantly over the course of human history. Pinker contends that, despite the impression given by the media, the world is actually becoming a more peaceful and less violent place.

The book explores various forms of violence, including war, homicide, genocide, torture, and cruelty, and examines the historical trends and underlying factors that have contributed to their decline. Pinker argues that this decline is largely due to the rise of reason, science, and humanism, as well as the development of stronger and more effective governments, international organizations, and global norms.

Throughout the book, Pinker draws on a wide range of disciplines, including psychology, history, sociology, and economics, to make his case. He also challenges common myths and misconceptions about the nature of humanity and the causes of violence.

"The Better Angels of Our Nature" has received widespread critical acclaim and has been praised for its meticulous research, engaging writing style, and thought-provoking ideas. If you're interested in understanding the complexities of human nature and the trajectory of human history, this book is definitely worth checking out!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Ok you probably won't hear this from an AI bot trained to repeat the ideology of the ruling class that this book tries to justify (and for which it gets praised in mainstream media, which I imagine make up most the training data).

But in reality lots of professional historians have argued this is a very bad book from a historical/scientific perspective. The research is not actually best described as "meticulous".

And from a moral perspective, pinker does not see deaths from engineered starvation/malnutrition and displacement (for a more modern equivalent see also the so called "deaths of despair") as "violent" because they don't fall into the war/criminality criteria he sets for himself.

For a compilation of critiques from historans see for example the book "the darker angels of our nature" (link to a review) https://www.counterfire.org/article/the-darker-angels-of-our-nature-refuting-the-pinker-theory-of-history-and-violence-book-review/