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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.

Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.

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Because of admin interference with the content https://lemmy.ml/modlog/16033 and disciplinary actions we obviously can't stay here.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Than maybe the problem is not too many people being alive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

So maybe sharing stuff that implies that it's in any way a problem is indeed eugenics and is right to be deleted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's not what the paper says is the problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

If you cant come to grips with the scientific fact that ecological destruction has a direct connection to population then you should start a special sub for CollapseMagicalThinking.

Life requires resources these resources have flow rates, for example the amount of human appropriated calories that are possible to grow in one m^2^ is limited by things like sunlight temperature nutrient inputs etc... This is scientifically measurable and all creatures including humans are constrained by such things. We are also constrained by waste production and the rate of waste detoxification by ecosystem services.

Of course "affluence" as measured by consumption is also part of the equation P*A=environmental impact. Humans appropriation of global bioproductivity is already pushed the other life on earth into mass extinction. Its already reduced many areas to lower bioproductivity levels. Over 40% of our current population number is dependent on advanced synthetic fertilizers that are highly dependent on fossil fuels and other depleting resources.

High population doesn't imply killing people. It can mean voluntary birth control usage and lowering the ability of the global 1% to engage in excessive consumption rather than killing the poor that use a tiny fraction of the resources per capita.