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How are they abuse images if no abuse took place to create them?
If the model was trained on csam then it is dependent on abuse
That's a heck of a slippery slope I just fell down.
If responses generated from AI can be held criminally liable for their training data's crimes, we can all be held liable for all text responses from GPT, since it's being trained on reddit data and likely has access to multiple instances of brigading, swatting, man hunts, etc.
You just summarized the ongoing ethical concerns experts and common folk alike have been talking about in the past few years.
As I said in my other comment, the model does not have to be trained on CSAM to create images like this.
That irrelevant, any realistic depiction of children engaged in sexual activity meets the legal definition of csam. Even using filters on images of consenting adults could qualify as csam if the intent was to make the actors appear underage.
doesn't even have to be that realistic.
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/bizarre-australian-criminal-cases-the-simpsons-porn-case/
Because they are images of children being graphically raped, a form of abuse. Is an AI generated picture of a tree not a picture of a tree?
No it isn't, not anymore than a drawing of a car is a real car, or drawings of money are real money.
Material showing a child being sexually abused is child sexual abuse material.
Nobody is saying they're real, and I now see what you're saying.
By your answers, your question is more "at-face-value" than people assume:
You are asking:
"Did violence occur in real life in order to produce this violent picture?"
The answer is, of course, no.
But people are interpreting it as:
"This is a picture of a man being stoned to death. Is this picture violent, if no violence took place in real life?"
To which answer is, yes.
It can be abhorrent and unlikable, its still not abuse
We're not disagreeing.
The question was:
"Is this an abuse image if it was generated?"
Yes, it is an abuse image.
Is it actual abuse? Of course not.
It's a picture of a hallucination of a tree. Distinguishing real from unreal ought to be taken more seriously given the direction technology is moving.
All the lemmy.world commenters came out to insist "that painting is a pipe, though."
Yeah? Smoke it.
Lemmy.world and bandwagoning on a sensitive topic that they know nothing about? Classic combo.
You'd figure "CSAM" was clear enough. You'd really figure. But apparently we could specify "PECR" for "photographic evidence of child rape" and people would still insist "he drew PECR!" Nope. Can't. Try again.
I mean... regardless of your moral point of view, you should be able to answer that yourself. Here's an analogy: suppose I draw a picture of a man murdering a dog. It's an animal abuse image, even though no actual animal abuse took place.
Its not though, its just a drawing.
Except that it is an animal abuse image, drawing, painting, fiddle, whatever you want to call it. It's still the depiction of animal abuse.
Same with child abuse, rape, torture, killing or beating.
Now, I know what you mean by your question. You're trying to establish that the image/drawing/painting/scribble is harmless because no actual living being suffering happened. But that doesn't mean that they don't depict it.
Again, I'm seeing this from a very practical point of view. However you see these images through the lens of your own morals or points of view, that's a totally different thing.
And when characters are killed on screen in movies, are those snuff films?
No, they're violent films.
Snuff is a different thing, because it's supposed to be real. Snuff films depict violence in a very real sense. So so they're violent. Fiction films also depict violence. And so they're violent too. It's just that they're not about real violence.
I guess what you're really trying to say is that "Generated abuse images are not real abuse images." I agree with that.
But at face value, "Generated abuse images are not abuse images" is incorrect.