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Zelensky: 'Our partners fear that Russia will lose this war' (kyivindependent.com)

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President Volodymyr Zelensky believes that Ukraine's partners "are afraid of Russia losing the war" and would like Kyiv "to win in such a way that Russia does not lose," Zelensky said in a meeting with journalists attended by the Kyiv Independent.

Kyiv's allies "fear" Russia's loss in the war against Ukraine because it would involve "unpredictable geopolitics," according to Zelensky. "I don't think it works that way. For Ukraine to win, we need to be given everything with which one can win," he said.

His statement came on May 16 amid Russia's large-scale offensive in Kharkiv Oblast and ongoing heavy battles further east. In a week, Russian troops managed to advance as far as 10 kilometers in the northern part of Kharkiv Oblast, according to Zelensky.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm assuming the West's analysis is that there's no better political reality inside Russia in sight, even with Putin gone, so they're better off just declawing the bear. Which to a large degree has already happened..

Meanwhile the upside is that the collective West gets to try tactics and weapons for modern warfare (drones, ai, analysis) and get ready for the next fight. They also gained a fight-ready, trained ally in Ukraine and a sharper focus in Europe of what's at stake and everything that that involves (eg energy and supply chain independence).

The downside is obviously the deaths of Ukrainians in the front line, but I don't know how many of them could be prevented without NATO getting properly involved.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

I think it's more down to the fact that regime change initiated from the outside doesn't go well. And if the west tries to take out Putin directly there's a very high likelihood of it resulting in a nuclear war.

The sanctions the west has in place are designed to nudge some powerful people within Russia to take out Putin. Problem is Putin has been around long enough that he's been able to make it extremely difficult for someone to make a coup happen.

Meanwhile the upside is that the collective West gets to try tactics and weapons for modern warfare (drones, ai, analysis) and get ready for the next fight.

Russia also gets this experience. And we can get this kind of information from more traditional sources (ie. Israel) without Russia getting it.

It would be better for the West if Putin was gone, but that needs to be done by Russian, and that's easier said than done.

I wouldn't look for too much nefarious intent for things that can be explained by regime change being hard to pull off (and very risky when it's a nuclear power) and war is not a simple thing.