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Get rid of them. (lemmy.world)
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[+] -61 points 2 years ago (13 children)

The Democrats have had decades to ensure abortion access would be guaranteed, but they decided not to and allowed it to be overturned. Both parties were absolutely happy to do nothing and just raise funds over abortion, but the Republicans had to actually try to force a change.

If there is a pile of brushwood and gasoline containers next to my house, and my husband wants to light it on fire while my mother wants to keep it there, neither of those people is actually trying to make the situation better.

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  • [–] 76 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Interesting, the one who doesn't want to burn your house down is equal to the person who does want to burn your house down in your mind?

    Neither one wants to do what you want so both are equally bad to you, what a shit take.

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  • [+] -32 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    The solution is to remove the danger, or else your house willburn down sooner or later.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    That's not an option you have right now.

    The choice is between burning it down NOW or not.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You should probably ask yourself why you don't have the option to actually reduce harm. Republicans jave no problem getting their representatives to do what they want. So why do Democrats struggle so much?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    Because the Democrats are the big tent party. Republicans are backed by a bunch of idiots, WASPS, and single issue voters. The Democrats have entire core elements that vary by state and region, from urban progressive whites to rural socially conservative minorities sith both groups only agreeing on economics for example.

    The fact is up until recently the Democrats have had to juggle even more groups that have fallen off, for example in my area there is an Iranian minority that used to back the Democrats but have turned to the Republicans because of LGBTQ issues, because they are a bigoted bunch of weaklings.

    The point is that the Dems have been fighting themselves as much as the Republicans, which has hindered them quite a lot. The reason for the increased effectiveness in recent times is due to some demographics shrinking, disappearing, or otherwise realigning with more of the national average. Also the Republicans got a helluva lot worse.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    How do we remove the danger? Specifically? Things the average person can do that will actually help.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    All the average person can do is tell their representatives at the local and federal level what they expect in exchange for their vote. "Vote Blue no matter who" doesntlead to amy actual change unless you leverage your vote for actual policy changes. MAGA is the open admission of what the GOP has been pushing the last few decades actually realized. Republicans who didn't offer what the base wanted were replaced by people willing to push for that reprehensible agenda. Pressure you representatives to actually protect human rights and replace them if theu won't do it. The people have actual power, progressives have jist been conditioned to not wield ot since that threatens the power structure in Washington.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I'm very curious about what the democrats were supposed to do to guarantee abortion access, perhaps you can clarify this for me. Were they supposed to pass a law that somehow would be immune to repeal from the next republican congress? Executive order? Amend the constitution? Some other form of legislative or executive magic I'm unfamiliar with?

    And your analogy of a literal arsonist being the same as another person just keeping some resources handy is actually very interesting - because by extension, you think that democrats should anticipate and prevent all possible fire-starting the republicans might do, and when they don't, they're just as bad?

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  • [+] -10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    They have been passing laws and changing constitutions at the state level for the past 18 months. Clearly there was political will for that, but they chose to sit on their thumbs and do nothing.

    Something bad isn't made better just because you compare it to something worse.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You didn't answer the question.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    I did though. Republicans spent the past 40 years saying they want to overturn Roe vs. Wade, and the Democrats did nothing to make that more difficult. Obama had a supermajority in 2009 and could have passed a national law protecting abortion rights, but didnt. States that swing back and forth could have passed similar laws that protected abortion, or put forth ballot initiatives to defend it, but didn't. They knew what the Republicans wanted to do, and did nothing to prevent it.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Having the political will to do something now has zero to do with having the political will ten or fifteen years ago when it literally wasn't a problem. Further, this idea that the democrats should just spend all their time and political energy finding ways to prevent all future possibilities of republicans doing bad stuff is stupid on its face, as it's a flatly impossible task (both in scope and actual ability) and takes away from time spent solving other problems.

    Obama had a supermajority in 2009 and could have passed a national law protecting abortion rights, but didnt.

    I specifically asked in my prior comment what would stop republicans from repealing such a law when they had control, such as in 2017.

    States that swing back and forth could have passed similar laws that protected abortion, or put forth ballot initiatives to defend it, but didn’t. They knew what the Republicans wanted to do, and did nothing to prevent it.

    Man, the same thing over and over. Political will rarely exists to fix problems that might happen, it exists to fix problems that are material.

    You know, climate change is important to me, so I think democrats should be expending all their efforts to make the EPA more durable so the next republican congress/administration doesn't ruin it. Oh wait, anything they pass into law can be repealed by the next congress? Executive orders can be revoked? People can be appointed to run government organizations that only have an interest in destroying that organization? Things can be undone?!

    Man, maybe prior administrations should have done some sort of magic with the Iran deal/Paris Accords/[any issue the Trump admin undid] so it couldn't have been undone. I don't know what that magic is, and its probably anti-democratic, but you seem convinced it exists.

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