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What is the mythos of the Christian Nationalists' Zionism? (hexbear.net)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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tl;dr - I do NOT like Christian Zionists, give me the resouces to understand and address their bullshit

The Christians followers of this have been talking about the "end times" with very little explanation. I tried looking into their most recent ranting and raving about the red heifer theory, but I was shocked to find that the most popular results were from people who genuinely believe that shit.

I want an explanation for this insane theory. There's something deeply antisemitic about it and I want to get to the bottom of it.

I don't want to criticize this belief by brushing it off as a bunch of loonies, dismissively pointing to the beliefs as not worth my time. I want to know exactly what it is so I can properly address it, at least mentally.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

First thing to get is that they actually think the apocalypse is a good thing. They believe that the apocalypse will mean them and the Christians they agree with will be carried bodily up to heaven, leaving the rest of us to suffer all the beasts and plagues and shit from Revelations. Ever seen one of those "WARNING: in case of rapture this car will be unmanned" bumper stickers? They literally believe that.

The second part is that they believe they can both predict and hasten this apocalypse they desire. They see basically anything that makes them mad and basically any global conflict as a portent of the end times. Gay or trans people existing in public is d*generacy which is a sign of the end times to them, and Bush II literally tried to convince then-president of France Chirac to join his war in Iraq by claiming it was a Christian end times battle.

So this is where Israel comes into it. These Christian Zionists believe that a necessary precondition for the apocalypse they're trying to hasten is for Jews to "reclaim the holy land." And by "reclaim the holy land" they mean exterminate all Palestinians and steal all Palestinian land. But they're also still really antisemitic, so they also believe that any of those holy-land-reconquering Jews who don't convert to Christianity will either die or be left with the rest of us heathens for the aforementioned beasts and plagues and shit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If these Christians are trying to expedite the apocalypse anyway, why are they so angry at people they think are causing it thonk

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, obviously, because their ideology is incoherent and deranged. But also, because they also think that the people they think are causing the apocalypse are going to corrupt their kids on the way to the apocalypse, and think that their kids are their property. And they need to feel like they're being persecuted because being persecuted is a sign of righteousness in Christianity but American Christians are culturally hegemonic so they have to make up persecution.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Exactly. The kind of people you're talking about claim that persecution towards Christians was predicted in the Bible while still complaining about their perceived but nonexistent persecution.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

The same reason why heaven is considered good but you can’t commit suicide to get there quicker. Because someone said so