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It's maddening engaging with them online. It literally makes me feel like I'm talking to delusional people with the inability to even be aware of their own thoughts.
Reading the comments in that thread is like stepping into a bizarro universe. I wonder what the turning point will be when these people have to start reconciling the fantasy world they built up with the real one. This was hands down my fav comment from the thread
Pppffff in what world is resisting an invasion by a much larger country with a larger military for over a year, a defeat? Even if Ukraine settles, they won this war.
I think that's likely gonna be the narrative libs smoothly pivot towards ignoring everything they said for two years. Also, never mind that literally all of NATO is propping Ukraine up. It's just a small country resisting a much larger country all on its own. When Ukraine is finally destroyed that's actually a huge win.
Remember they say they won Vietnam because they killed more people than they lost.
Yeah, that's basically the same kind of logic there.
We lost, but actually we won (in our minds). 🤡
This is literally the manifestation of idealism.
This reminds me of when top Kiev officials announced that Crimea has already been liberated "in our hearts".
I guess the job is basically done then eh? Time to declare victory. Mission accomplished boys!
Lol at the one lurker lib yet again obsessively downvoting every single comment here.
they follow me around like lost puppies on lemmy.ml 🤣
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Just like Mao intended.
Well, they keep trying to imagine that Russia is deploying it's full military force against Ukraine, denying that it's a limited SMO. They use the deployment of aging equipment as evidence that Russia is using everything they have and running out instead of as evidence that Russia is still able to meet it's objectives with a limited use of its worst equipment.
Absolutely, the whole narrative is built on the idea that Russia is falling apart and can barely keep things together. People internalized it over the past two years, and just regurgitate these tropes now. What's striking to me is how fluidly they're able to abandon narratives that have run their course without any reflection.
First, Russian economy was supposed to collapse within weeks. Then Russia was supposed to run out of shell, missiles, and manpower so the military conflict was going to be over quickly. Obviously none of these things actually happened, yet nobody asked why all these projections were wrong and what the implications of that are.
We still see libs dismiss any articles admitting the reality as Russian propaganda, even when these articles come from rabidly pro Ukrainian mainstream media in the west.
The sheer capacity people have for denying reality is really incredible.
Exactly, they imagined that Russia worked more or less the way the west does which led to a monumental miscalculation in policy. This war will be taught in history books as the catalyst for the collapse of the burger empire.
how does russia benefit from deliberately using inferior equipment and not going all out? they don't want a long, protracted conflict.
I don't think they're using inferior equipment, but they couldn't really go all-out in the beginning without killing a huge number of civilians (unlike NATO, which jumps straight to carpet bombing)
The one thing that people on both sides agree with is that Russia wants to control the economy of Ukraine. Destroying the infrastructure and people of ukraine excessively undermines that millitary objective. Unless you believe that he's evil and just wants to do bad things.
The same way the US benefits from getting rid of old equipment, which y'all chucklefucks been celebrating as grand strategy. But more importantly, it's because they don't need to deploy nor reveal their main forces. It keeps their enemies intelligence unreliable and it keeps their forces ready for further conflict from the bloodthirsty deranged barbarians in the US.
Nobody ever wants a long, protracted conflict but it doesn't mean they don't prepare for one.
They don't go all out because:
The effective number of a weapon is not the raw number but the amount multiplied by the availability rate.
Mature platforms have higher availability rates and a larger stockpile of wear parts and ammo.
The numbers available can sustain attrition for however long the conflict may endure so they don't run out of crucial weapons system at inopportune times.
The latest equipment may still be undergoing service tests or may have a limited amount of trained crews so any deployment would be more like what Zebra mission was to the M26 Pershing.
Combat capable forces are still needed elsewhere for security/deterrence and in case South Ossetia gets invaded by Georgia again.
Mobilizing the reserves would shrink the working population hurting the economy.
Going all out might also cause a full on intervention since NATO membership isn't actually needed for that to happen. SMO like rules are why the US in Vietnam didn't clash with China as it did in Korea.
Availability rates of the F-15 vs F-35 vs F-22
In spite of how much older the F-15 air frames are, given the same number of planes the F-15s would in combat outnumber the F-35s or F-22s two to one.
I don't know understand what they call winning a war. War is politics by other means. 2 countries or more have soldiers fight to kill each other till one side concedes to the other. If one settles and concedes to the terms of the other country, that is defeat.
That's the reality, but western libs have become incredibly invested in the war emotionally over the past two years and internalized the idea that Ukraine is winning the war while Russia is falling apart. Having to admit that they were wrong is not a thread they want to pull on because that raises a lot of uncomfortable questions such as the fact that western media is heavily propagandized and that they themselves are gullible.
Wasn’t it worth is though to see someone unwittingly compare Chiang Kai-shek to Abraham Lincoln? Lol
Because both of them conducted genocidal policies towards Indigenous people, right?
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That was hilarious. I'm glad you saw that
I honestly just assume most, or a food portion at least, are not even "real" people but wreckers, feds, etc. That are there for malicious purpose to cause strife. There were already some trickling in before the reddit drama but a massive influx out of nowhere would have been obvious. Then the reddit debacle went down and it gave them the perfect opportunity to flood in. A good number of the actual people have probably already gone back to reddit leaving a higher concentration of feds left over. At least that's MY theory.
I don't think there's that many feds working on this sort of thing domestically. I think it's easier to imagine these people are just run of the mill Americans. I mean, FFS, there are literal young Republican clubs all over the country in universities. That requires a special sort of distributed brain rot process affecting millions.