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[–] [email protected] 186 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Oh what's this? Allegations by... 35 women?

God dammit.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Bonus points for his fans shouting about how he wasn't convicted so "He was totally cleared of all that, they're just jealous psychos!"

Because everyone knows sexual assault is notoriously well dealt with.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Speaking from general life experience, a lot of those fans are ~~potential victims of the same treatment themselves~~ minors/women

So if you have a child or friend that speaks like that, it is a red flag to pay closer attention to the people they build relationships with and their behavior. I'm not talking about protecting kids from drugs and sex, I mean protect them predators and abuse.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

True. I have a lot of friends who dated abusers AFTER they abused someone else, and parrotted the "his ex was a psycho and made it all up" line.

Sometimes the ex is a psycho, but like 99% of the time they aren't.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Yeah. I find that a lot in very disparate genres, too. I pretty much have to look up anyone I like more than a little now.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

When I found out about the guy from Crystal Castles 10 years after the fact... Yea major bummer. Sucks he's a POS and the things he's done, and the cherry on top is now I can't enjoy their music again.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Never meet your heros

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Fuck, I remember the news with Alice Glass’ allegations back when they came out, but I wasn’t aware there were others, and they were underage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Alice is still making music, no reason not to support her as far as I know.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

…oh no. I’ve listened to him for ages. And due to a shitty shuffle I ended up with high listening hours. I remember his first handle and just told myself it was regarding the slang for cigarette. I’ll be going down this rabbit hole, thanks for the heads up …oh no

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Not metal, but Ghost Mice really shocked me. The guy was like "yeah I did that shit, sorry" and was just never seen again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Rammstein isn't metal it's NDH. The Genre does have metal influence but you could just as well call it Industrial Punk (in particular in regards to Rammstein). There's plenty of groove metal in there if you know what to listen for but this doesn't sound anywhere close to Pantera.

And if Rammstein being a bunch of Punks with way too much artistic concept wasn't enough you have to literally ignore their Discography to think they're right-wing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I know rammstein isn’t metal. Lots of people consider them metal though. And I didn’t say they were right wing, but the band did get in a lot of trouble in the last few years over sexually abusing people. A lot of people. That’s why I asked.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

And I didn’t say they were right wing, but the band did get in a lot of trouble in the last few years over sexually abusing people

It was alleged that. What's true is that there were plenty of 0-row aftershow parties with plenty of drugs and sex involving Till. Which is problematic in itself but as it seems (if we take the state attorney's conclusions as gospel truth) nothing non-consentual went on. What's left is allegations by two women who, as far as I'm aware, never themselves filed criminal complaints (which would expose them to possible false accusation charges).

What I took away from the whole thing is that Till is a creepy yet decent hedonist and it's good that he's got pushback over his behaviour, but it's also not a thing he should be crucified for. He's not 20-something any more, he should understand iffy consent mechanics when it comes to 20-something groupies better at his age.