slakemoth

British troops in Ukraine would absolutely be unacceptable to any peace agreement that Russia is likely to sign so whats the point of making all this noise.

Better than nothing is a bit of a bug bear of mine. We are constantly told labour are better than nothing (ie tories).

If i am starving and need 2000 calories a day, would i rather have 1500 or 1200 calories? Obviously I'd rather have 1500. However this kind of comparison is too simplistic .

I would be right to ask why there isn't enough calories. Taking the 1500 only legitimises that deal, when its clearly insufficient. I know both will starve me eventually so clearly i have to get those extra 500 calories. The only option is to reject both options and demand the 500 calories.

Labour are only partly funded by unions, and they by no means dictate policies. If unions dictated policies then we wouldn't have this wishy washy workers bill and they would remove the anti-union laws.

I agree they do side with donation givers, which is why they are a bunch of private healthcare Zionist dweebs.

What you are asking for it sounds like is stronger party democracy which i couldn't support more. However, the unions are central to any labour movement so it makes sense they are at the center of the party. Labour members do still vote on all policies technically but Starmer has centralised the process further so that the leader has complete control. Its also very expensive to send delegates to conference (in order to vote).

Ok ive edited because i think i see what you're trying to say.

You think that alignment with unions is antithetical to socially liberal values (such as lgbt) ?

Fine the renters bill is mildly good, but its a long way off whats necessary to solve the housing crisis and has been continually watered down.

We have some of the worst tenants rights in Europe and the oldest housing stock. A small improvement like that still makes us look barbaric in comparison.

Also lol at the council rough sleepers budget - you know many councils are about to go bankrupt and labour are doing nothing about that?

The reason no one talks about them is they are ultimately piddly amounts of money. And how much of it is just getting funneled into the private sector as management consultants fees?

I find it difficult to understand how you believe Labour represents the interests of workers in any meaningful sense.

Labour is primarily a liberal party, and has been for many years. The union of liberals and socialists broke down in the 80s.

The problem with this analysis is that it assumes Labour aren't just as racist as reform. They both are racist, neither actually want to stop immigrants. Both require migrants for cheap labour to keep the gravy coming. They represent different factions of capital.

Labour appealing to the right wing talking points isnt some cynical ploy to maintain power - its just what they think. No one who actually cares about immigrants would pander to those talking points.

Frances Ryan is probably one of the best and most consistent writers the Guardian has.

Its interesting how all the starmer fans have gone quiet in the comments. Even they are starting to realise how they've been duped by red tie wearing tories.