purplepuppy

Why mention that you dont have the resources if you are not pretending that you would be for helping them if you could. It is just an excuse to try and hide the fact that you care more about one population then another simply on the basis on their nationality. I hope you understand how racist that is. Not that I accept the notion that civilian unarmed refugees are somehow a threat to the Schengen zone and a "National security", which is most common anti-imigrant rethoric, but how is that ever a higher priority then lives of an entire nation of civilans.

"there’s more to consider than the lives of these refugees or any that would follow" of course, comfort and stolen wealth of the EU is top priority, Lives of human beings are always secondary to profit.

"Just out of curiosity, where are you from?" I know better then to tell a racist where I am from, so they can somehow make assumtions based on my nationality.

So winters in a filed as a solider is somehow safer then under a bridge in a city?

Anti-migrant racism is strong in these comments. It is amazing how easily people who consider themselves left-wing turn to racism when it helps them politically.

So it is ok to let people die because of a chance they will illegally cross to other countries?

I hope you are aware of how racist it is to call someone degenerate because they live in a certain country.

Great, then Estonia should accept more refugees and there is no reason to worry about EU having a problem with it.

You’ll note that at no point did I claimed that you said turning them away is in their best interests. But it is reasonable to assume that you where making a claim that closing borders is because Estonia can't help them and not because it is not in Estonia's interests. When you give arguments about not being able to help while discussing border politics, it is reasonable to assume that you are giving a reason for that policy and not just talking for unrelated reason. So if the reason is that borders cant open because you cant help them then borders are closed for allegedly their own good as they will not be helped in Estonia. If it is in their interest to open the borders then that is helping them and therefor Estonia can help. Of course it isn't much help if you are simply not hurting them by trapping them inside their country, but still. When you frame a comment to be about helping them, it is obviously implied that you are concerned with their wellbeing and therefor their interests.

Simply as you used different wording when you told me that I said that you claimed turning them away is in their best interest, so did I. Communication is based on some assumptions and framing things from your point of view, it hard to communicate otherwise.

Also, I am ignoring that you don't have resources for helping them, because it is simply not a point of the article. We are talking about not letting them come in, not necessarly do they need help. Maybe they can catch a plain, maybe some do have Visas, it is not impossible. And when talking about human lives during war, we should be more willing to help.

Besides, I understand that there are a lot of already housed migrants and that is great. But also if they have been there for sometime and some migrants haven't been there at all, would be good to help those already housed reloacate to rest of EU so there is more space for new migrants. After all, I am certain that the rest of EU will more gladly help Ukranin migrants than Russian ones, so focusing on helping them is good. If really the argument is simply not being able to help and etc. The problem is that all of these things are perfectly reasonably solved and that it is clear that intentions aren't really economical, but political.

So they can't stop Estonia from accepting more refugees?

And Estonia could accept people that have their own finances or people that are allowed passage in other countires and etc. There are many ways to work on this if you actually care about these people to help and solve a problem. If all countries acted this way, I won't help because aren't helping enough, we are going to be in a big trouble. I would complain to US and China if this was a post about that and someone was defending their positions, we can turn this discussion as well into, ask others to help as well, instead of just defending this wrong decision by Estonia. Estonian government, if they really care, could put pressure on EU, China or US. You seem to be more focused on China and US, but reallisticly it is the EU that has funds as well and is closer. We should focus on pressure to EU to help house these people, or allow them passage or something.

Besides, I think it is morally unjustifiable to be dependent on EU support so much to help you with these things in order to keep stuff comfortable for already rich people in Estonia, instead of sharing with those less fortunate and help as much as you can. It is better to fight for wellbeing of all people and help what you can, instead of being afraid that you will be kicked out from a selfish EU (if they refuse to help and share this isssue, they are selfish).

I agree, it would be. But instead of passing regulations to make Europe (just as rich and more populous that US) take refugees from countries they are in war with. Instead we are focusing on closing borders of other countries, not only so they can't take refugees themselves, but to stop them from actually getting assylim in places they can, like EU. There is a difference in not fighting for right regulation to make a World more just, but to fight for new regulation that is making it less so, is definitely immoral.

If you insult when you are clearly exposed and with clear arguments shown to be wrong, you are showing not only bad intentions, but inability to accept a critique. I didn't escalate this disscussion, you are the one that said to me that I am spreading propaganda. I proved i to be other way around and you can't take the same insult that you unkustifiably directed at me, even though in your case it is true. Calling other people what you are is classic case of projecting your own problems.

Then let them pass through to the rest of the EU. In Europe there is a billion people. As for the wealth, I have no idea why you are comparing it to US. We are talking about whether they should be forced to stay in Russia and it is clear that per capita Estonia is richer then Russia.