Sorry, you are not making any sense to my little European brain.

You can see how the current US government is doing whatever the fuck they want, right? You can see that for Trump the constitution means absolutely nothing except when it benefits him or his narrative, right? How the POTUS controlling the SCOTUS leads to a situation where there are no consequences for them?

You can see that your interpretation of free speech is being abused constantly and benefits those who have money and spread misinformation and hate, right?

I have no idea what western, civilized countries you are talking about where you apparently are not allowed to protest - you can't possibly think this is a worse situation than what you have in the US.

And mind you there are tons of pro Palestine protests in countries I have on my radar. The only thing that's not allowed is glorifying the attack of the Hamas on Jewish people.

But yes, I am not saying there is no way to abuse this. Given a government which is shitty enough and courts which are not independent, obviously it can be abused.

But in no shape or form is it worse than the free speech interpretation in the US, where defamation, hate and lies are literally constantly spread by those with enough power and reach.

This 100% enabled Trump and the disgrace you call 'political debate' over there - which is nothing but political mudslinging non stop.

So yes, I think the small chance of hate speech exceptions being abused is absolutely worth the upsides.

Your freedom ends where the freedom of others begins.

This is pure and obvious defamation and is illegal in many civilized countries. That's how it has to be.

Only in the US people are so obsessed with 'free speech' that they actively protect hate speech.

Without this delusional interpretation of 'free speech', what Trump is doing most of the time wouldn't be acceptable or possible.

Of course it is too late when you already have a fascist, authoritarian government.

But to such a government it doesn't matter anyway. They will do whatever the fuck they want. They will introduce new laws if they feel like it. Putin had no problem to introduce a law which effectively lands you in jail for calling the war in Ukraine a war.

So I don't buy the implication that even hate speech has to be protected as free speech because the government could abuse it. The real world shows us very clearly that such governments do whatever they like, so that's just propaganda and wishful thinking at best.

Only during COVID...

Oh, they came pretty close already - almost killing a baby: https://newrepublic.com/post/205376/ice-attack-car-kids-six-month-old-unconscious

It is shaping up very nicely! One more nitpick: cloud that button say something like 'Join Lemmy (instance name)'?

So that any fool understands what it does. Join instance name has the potential to confuse some people, because they don't know what joining instance name means - especially if some instance is chosen which name is more on the cryptic site.

But anyway, very nice!

Ok so I think it would be best to have two ways: One really completely foolproof way, where the user does not need to know a single thing about the technologies involved. 0 upfront homework for the user.

And then a second way for users willing to take the time to do a 'manual setup'.

I created an AI slop clickable mockup real quick as it's easier to bring the idea across than describing it with lots of words. This only covers the foolproof way.

https://jsfiddle.net/da9m4nuq/

The main idea being to remove all possible friction for users who are the opposite of tech savvy - which imo are the absolute majority of all users.

The tricky part is preselecting a server for them. This will probably need a more or less manually curated list of servers which most people will be okay with - so no extreme opinions, not technical, big enough so they don't seem empty on first sight. Done in such a way that the people get more or less equally distributed, so we don't create one centralized instance.

But I think it is crucial to remove any friction for the users. Don't let them do homework before they even know what Lemmy is and if it's worth it at all.

Take my upvote, you are right on the money.

Well, you are technically correct. That would've made it easier for me. But I see a few problems with that:

How are you gonna make sure people start doing this?

And even more important: If people start doing this, it might actually harm the network IMHO.

I personally knew that something like Lemmy exists at all because I saw multiple people on Reddit recommending it as an alternative to Reddit. Often enough that I was able to remember this after some time.

Now if people recommended programming.dev in one sub, literature.cafe in another and discuss.online in a third - there is no way I would've remembered any of it and most likely wouldn't know that it belongs to the same network. Looking at them individually emphasizes the feeling that those are some ultra niche little sites with hardly any users on them.

Just my gut feeling, anyway.

The imperative stoneager feels like the most favored one, there are no real negatives listed there. All that’s listed are things they usually pride themselves on.