[-] archipherous@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

We are deeply disappointed that this happened...

How can the brand launch a marketing campaign without the brand knowing about it? Isn't a fireworks display extremely expensive and logistically intensive?

[-] archipherous@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

Hmm... I'm confused. 35x seems wicked high. You mean if the project was 100 hours, and you would have made $10,000 as an in-house employee for that number of hours, you would pitch for $350,000, and be willing to accept $150,000?

The market decides what something is worth.

This is the part I struggle with, that meta-appreciation of the abstract concepts of "worth" and "market." I haven't learned how to believe that those things are real in the way that the person I'm "taking" money from is real.

There is no such thing as overcharging unless you’re charging people for something you don’t deliver.

This helps the above make more sense, though. Basically the question is: Did you do the thing you're charging for? Did you do it well enough to justify the price? If so, you're fine. It also assumes that the other person knows what fair market value is. I think my implicit assumption is that they don't, and so I'm tricking them into paying more than they need to (even though I know that my prices are fair). Which is a bit condescending, now that I think about it.

[-] archipherous@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

It can take a long time for good ideas to propagate widely enough for a lot of people to become aware of it. Mastodon was around for years before people started jumping on the activitypub bandwagon.

I have no programming skills and wouldn't be able to help. But I hate using eBay and Kijiji and something federated would be mighty cool.

[-] archipherous@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

It does help. I've got the banking stuff settled, but the employer/employee is a good way of looking at it that I hadn't considered before. Thanks :)

[-] archipherous@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

The answer to most of your questions is yes, but

Do your prices feel fair to you?

is where the exploitative feeling comes in. The gist of it is that my primary industry is mental health, which, being Canadian born and raised and accustomed to free healthcare, it feels icky to charge for in the first place. The going rate is actually completely fair, considering the toll that the work takes on you and the benefit it provides for others, but it's still a lot, and more than a lot of people can afford. I do sliding scale work to compensate and help people who don't have the money, but because of my limited schedule I can't afford more than two or three low-cost spots a week.

In owner operated businesses profits are wages and need to be tooled to account for uncertainty.

This is actually very helpful, but it would be easier to reconcile if I was in a B2B business rather than direct, one-on-one. I have a really hard time connecting emotional/rational interactions with monetary value. The two don't really connect for me.

[-] archipherous@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah, it's a weird, twisty thing. Part of it is life-long low self-esteem, but also really identifying with the strong undercurrent of "money is evil and all people who have/like/want money are therefore evil" that is very prevalent in the left-ish side of academia I spent a lot of time in.

[-] archipherous@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

I mean, I know people who grew up poor and became voracious sociopath capitalists... Personally, I think you're on the better team :)

Ok, I have the same feeling, but I come from a very different context: professional parents who always did well but were never business owners or at all entrepreneurial. Where I really resonate is the sense of taking from others in order to service myself. Somehow I don't see the transactional aspect of it, i.e. that although I'm technically "taking" something, I'm also giving something up in order to earn the right to take it (if that makes sense). I guess I don't feel like I deserve it.

Out of interest, how big is the margin between market rate and how much you charge? Could you split the difference?

[-] archipherous@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

I used to work for other people, but now I work for myself. The issue is that being an employee is essentially passive (paid to do what you're told), and running your own business is active (telling/getting other people to pay you). And somehow, I've hit a plateau in my comfort level with being an active solicitor-of-business. I can push, but only so far, and then I start avoiding, procrastinating, and prevaricating. I don't feel like I'm exploiting employees because I don't have any. I feel like I'm exploiting my customers by asking for money at all.

[-] archipherous@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

Ok, let's work it out. What do you mean by "overcharging"? I use the same word, but everyone has their own definition. In my head, that means asking for more than I need, regardless of what my service is nominally "worth" on the "market." Whatever those two terms mean...

[-] archipherous@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 months ago

I mean, I appreciate that you felt moved to reply, but this is exactly the super-judgy mindworm I'm trying to kill. Why should I believe that I or anyone else is by definition a bad person because I charge money for products/services? Sure, the business douche who knowingly charges a 1000% markup is a selfish dick but that's not where I'm trying to get to. I'm trying to get to the point where I don't have to be a slave to myself and work flat out 12 hours a day just to keep my head above water.

[-] archipherous@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

The first one is paywalled, fyi. Interesting idea with the anarchist management, except that I'm a one-man shop selling things that I design and make myself (should have mentioned). So my businesses will always be dictatorial by definition since any employees I take on wouldn't be creative partners.

Plus, an anarchistic perspective might be helpful for an internal structure, but it doesn't solve the interface problem of charging money for stuff.

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I need some advice on making the psychological shift from being a business employee to a business owner. I started a couple of businesses five years ago, and I'm surviving as it is, but I'm right on the lower limit. I can feel that it's my own psychology that is holding me back. I don't struggle with the practical running of the business, my problem is feeling like an exploitative schmuck because I'm charging people money for stuff. I can push just enough to let myself survive, but after that I freeze. It's a big block for me, and I just can't seem to get past it on my own.

I know there are tons of business self-help books out there, but I don't have the time/money to sift through all of them to find the non-icky diamonds in the rough. And I figure there have to be at least a few people out there who have made this transition and faced the same problems. So:

  • Have you confronted this problem for yourself? How did you approach it?
  • Were there any resources you found helpful to wrap your head around the transition?
  • Do you have any experience with business coaches and/or associations, and were they helpful (ie. worth the money)?
  • Are there any Lemmy/Reddit/Discord/other groups you found supportive/helpful?

Thanks much in advance,

~Archie

[-] archipherous@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 months ago

I would 100% be into this. I have no programming skills, but knowing that Kijiji is owned by eBay makes me hate using it even though they get $0 from my transactions.

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