visited the foothills once

Again, projecting....

Yeah. That's what i said. I didn't say we would stay healthy, i said they couldn't starve the people without going hungry themselves.

Lol, shifting the goal post ....your original claim was that people in certain areas would be fine living off the land if the government theoretically cut off the food supply. You then shifted the argument to the government cannot shut off the food supply. You then went into some weird delusional fantasy that Californians would rise up and take down aircraft carriers with missiles.

Yeah they own stuff. But i buy my groceries from these peoples' families, and they arent all cool with this.

Aren't cool with isn't the same as willing to indulge your weird ass fantasy land where they become freedom fighters.

Yes some people are willing to do violence to preserve their rights, but most people are just trying to live their lives and fly under the radar. Which is why history is filled with tragedy and injustice.

But you just kind of ignored everything i said so you could say something technically true and put it where a response to me would go.

What part did I ignore? You brought up incorrect facts about the CCP and the Black Panthers, which I addressed accurately.

I just think you like to speak before you think. We're not in a romantic novel, life is hard and the good guys don't always win. I'm not trying to discourage you, I'm just trying to temper your optimism with the reality of what happens to the vast majority of revolutionary forces.

Don't get me started

You were the one who brought it up?

So i got you?

So you don't know what projection is?

original comment I responded to was "let's not act like a gun control zealot is what the US "left" needs right now".

Yeah.....? And your response was so off point that even you decided it was worth deleting.

Right now, we don't have those stricter gun control laws, so your theoretical universe with the slippery slope is irrelevant.

Lol, the person you were responding to was specifically calling out David Hoggs and the DNC dying on the hill of gun control.

This is a race for NY Mayor, and Mamdani is exactly what we need right now.

Wut? We were specifically talking about David hogg what does mamdani have to do with our conversation? You might remember what you were talking about about if you didn't delete your own comment, fucking coward.

Look at a map. Talk to the people in all the places you'd have to go through. Maybe if they let this die down, and start it with something other than a police action. But if this goes hot? From fed cops? No. The sierra-nevadas may as well be in afghanistan.

I used to live in the Western foothills of the valley..... it's mostly empty rolling hills dude.

The logistics of getting food to stores is complex and it really wouldn't take much but some instability to cause major food insecurity in the majority of the country.

True, it wont be universal. I'm even seeing people in OC upset about this though, and if the admin's lost them, they've lost every major foothold with californians. Maybe downtown palo alto, for about five minutes. Maybe san diego, if they skew the demographics with a few aircraft carriers-but theres not much food between there, mexico, and the mountains.

I think you are overestimating the amount of people who would transition from being upset to taking up arms against the government. Most people barely pay attention to politics.

You don't even know what a maoist 'people's war' even is, and that's likely the doctrine they'll start with. You certainly don't know who the panthers were, or the kinds of people they were. You don't know what or where you're talking about.

Lol, the CCP were fighting with much more than just small arms. They and the kmt were both supplied by the US and the Soviets against the Japanese.

You certainly don't know who the panthers were, or the kinds of people they were. You don't know what or where you're talking about.

The Black Panthers never went to war with a military..... Fred Hampton was murdered by regular cops with pistols shotguns and rifles.

Just because I don't buy into your delusion that all of California is going to rise up and defeat aircraft carriers with som Glock and some semi auto rifles, doesn't mean I don't know about leftist revolutions.

Chuds can't and wont do real work. Not in numbers, anyway.

Chuds already manage the farms and ranches in Cali.

Notoriously productive resilient and efficient with their military resources: Slave States!

Yes, because there's no historical evidence of militant police states being able to feed themselves......

You play too many fucking map view strategy games. Go outside, maybe read a book. Or at least play the more complicated map games.

Lol, dude. You are projecting.... You sound exactly like all the come and take it right winged chuds who thinks they're going to turn into Rambo over night.

Unless they're airlifting it all out. In which case it still has to fly over terrain that's not to their advantage.

Why would they have to fly anything out of the valley? If the military is able to secure supply lines in war zones that have more than small arms resistance I don't think it's going to be a challenge to secure them in Cali.

we also make the missiles here.

Who's we? It's not like the entire country is going to support a rebellion, especially not anyone in the military industrial complex. Even if you have missiles, you don't have the weapons platforms or even know how to operate them.

The best option for them would be the port of oakland. Theres lots of shitty tech bros there, but you still see tributes to the best and best dressed mlm's to ever pick up a rifle, some of whom are, while far past fighting age, still kicking around a dense high tech city-and this would be for their food supply line, so it wouldn't exactly be possible to starve them out.

What are you talking about? Why would food have to go to Oakland? You don't ship food from California to the rest of the country on boats.... Nor are some old dudes with small arms going to be able to do anything to military convoy.

The farms are all staffed by people who hate them. Every single one, not just here but especially here. Even the small/mid sized farmers-and i have talked to them-hate this shit, or are literally beibg chased out of the fields, literally as i type this. The logistics lines are disproportionately worked by those same people.

Work gangs, prison labour, political prisoners, hungry people willing to capitulate to feed their families.....you know the same thing that has happened throughout history. Plus, there's plenty of conservative chuds in the valley.

It's not really based on facts, more of a matter of opinion. I agree that the democratic party needs to be shakin up, I just think it needs guidance from a more militant left winged voice to counteract just how far right the GOP has gotten.

I didn't say it was? However, if we currently had stricter gun control who do you think the current administration would be attempting to utilize those laws to prosecute?

If we had a fair legal system and our political leaders weren't literal fascist, I would absolutely advocate for strict gun control. That's just not the political landscape we currently inhabit.

If those laws were present today, you would have the ATF hunting down every brown person with a gun and right winged chuds would be free to keep their massive arsenals, ensuring that christo-fascist maintain an absolute monopoly on violence.

And in the face a fascism we should be telling people on the left to disarm themselves?

He's better than the establishment in the DNC, but that like saying oral herpes is better than getting your lips ripped off by a pitbull. It's still not a great scenario either way you look at it.

I don't think that the movie was proposing that the issue or solution is eugenics based. I would argue that educated people are probably able provide a better education, and that uneducated parents are less likely to be able to provide their children with a quality education.

I don't specifically remember Idiocracy really going into depth about "passing good genes".

Pigs love rolling in shit. Responding to protest is a blank check to do whatever violence you want while being paid massive amounts of overtime.

All of the cops I've known personally are from very similar backgrounds, basically straight edged nerds with paladin brain. People who weren't necessarily bullied, but just perceived themselves as a tormented outsider. They want action, they want violence, and they think they are completely righteous in whatever they do because the badge makes them good guys.

Every cop is a looser wannabe Rambo, but was too chicken shit or lazy to actually join the military.

but at least the Iberians mixed with the locals and didn't genocide them

Wut?

You can't have an MLK without a Malcom X. MLKs ways were only accepted because the alternative was the Black Panthers. Yes, we need the majority of people to be peacefully protesting, but we also cannot let the state achieve a monopoly on violence.

John Brown wears a hangman’s noose for a necktie up in Heaven. I asked him about it, and he said, ‘Where’s yours? Where’s yours?’ His eyes were like glowing coins. ‘Without shedding of blood,’ he said, ‘there is no remission of sin.’