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Asked what the government should do in response to the Supreme Court ruling.

  • 29% say the government should pursue a similar agreement with a different country;
  • 39% say the government should scrap the policy;
  • 14% say they should do something else;
  • 18% say they don't know

Asked if the UK should remain a member of the European Convention on Human Rights:

  • 51% said the UK should remain a member;
  • 28% say the UK should withdraw;
  • 21% say they are not sure.

30% of the country are idiots who will jump under any racist banner they can find. They have absolutely no idea what they are signing up to. A more pertinent poll would be to ask if they understood the ECHR and what it does.

The ECHR is a higher court than we hold in the UK for a reason. It is where you hold government to account. Without the ECHR the tragedy of the Hillsborough disaster would still be blaming the Liverpool fans, and there would be no accountability.

This is the text and what power we would be handing to government.

Article 1 – obligation to respect human rights

  • The state has the responsibility to respect every individual’s human rights, as set out in the Convention itself.

Article 2 – right to life

  • We all have the right to life, and not be killed by another person.

  • The state must protect people’s lives by enforcing the law, protecting those in danger, and safeguard against accidental deaths.

The state could murder you and not be held accountable for it.

Article 3 – prohibition of torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment

  • Nobody, under any circumstances, can torture or abuse anyone else. We should never be treated in ways that cause us serious physical or mental suffering.

Forced confessions could become a thing again in the UK.

Article 4 – prohibition of slavery and forced labour

  • Nobody should ever be made a slave or forced to work against their will.
  • There are minor exceptions to this article, for example in some cases it is legal to require someone to work in if they’re in prison or the military services.

This government has tried to implement unpaid work in the past and failed because of this law.

Article 5 – right to liberty and security

  • We can only be detained in certain circumstances, for example if we’ve been convicted by a court, or if we’re considered to be a danger to ourselves.

The government could just lock you away without accountability.

Article 6 – right to a fair trial

  • We have the right to a fair and public trial, within a reasonable amount of time, by an independent and unbiased judge.

  • If charged with an offence we should be assumed innocent until proven guilty.

Speaks for itself

Article 7 – no punishment without law

  • All crimes should be clearly defined by the law. We can only be found guilty of a criminal offence if there was a law against it at the time the act was committed. Once found guilty of a crime we cannot later be given a heavier sentence.

They can make laws and convict you in retrospect. ie: making walking on cracks on the pavement illegal, then show evidence you did this last week.

Article 8 – right to respect privacy and family life

  • This right exists to protect four things: our family life, our home, our private life, and our correspondence.

  • We have the right to live with our family and our loved ones.

  • Respect for the home guards against intrusion into where we live, or to protect us being forced from where we live without good reason.

  • Respect for private life protects our personal freedoms, including respect for our sexuality, the right not to be placed under unlawful surveillance, or for us not to have personal information spread about us against our will.

  • Respect for correspondence allows for us to communicate with others freely and in full privacy.

This is the protection you have over the big brother state and its abuse.

Article 9 – freedom of thought, conscience and religion

  • We all have the right to hold religious and other beliefs. We also have the right to change these beliefs when we choose. We should be free to worship and express our beliefs both in public and private spaces.

Let Braverman loose with this one if you dare.

Article 10 – freedom of expression

  • We have the right for us to hold our own opinions, to express our views and ideas, and to share information with others.

  • This article can protect our right to express views that some may find unpopular or offensive.

Article 11 – freedom of assembly and association

  • We have the right to join with others to protect our common interests, to form trade unions political parties.

  • Importantly this article also exists to protect our right to hold meetings, and to assemble in groups to peacefully protest.

This one is already under threat.

Article 12 – right to marry

  • We have the right marry who we want to, and to start a family.

Article 13 – right to an effective remedy

  • If our rights are violated then we must be able to challenge this through legal means. The state must make arrangement for this, and there may be compensation for any damage caused to us.

This about government accountability.

Article 14 – prohibition of discrimination

  • Our rights should never be denied to us due to any form of discrimination, whether due to our ‘sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status’.

Anyone who saw how Braverman played the protests at the weekend should understand this.

Article 15 – derogation in time of emergency

  • A state can choose to ignore some specific rights in the ECHR at a time of war or other emergency threatening the life of the nation, but any removal of rights should be limited to those absolutely required by the situation. A state must always make sure these measures are consistent with its obligations under International Law.

Article 16 – restriction on political activity of non-nationals

  • A state can restrict the political activity of non-nationals, but this does not apply to the nationals of EU member states when in an EU country.

Article 17 – prohibition of abuse of rights

  • Nothing in the ECHR allows for any state, group or individual to destroy the rights and freedoms that the convention protects.

Article 18 – limitation on use of restriction of rights

  • The restrictions allowed by the convention should not be applied for any other purpose than those explained in the convention itself.

The link to the text also has a petition on it. Maybe now would be a good time to attach your name to it.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Time for Starmer to start explaining to people exactly what leaving the ECHR entails. Nip this BS in the bud before they fester the narrative to con people.

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This isn't going anywhere unless they get support form outside of that group. The group has 25 members. Braverman is a member of the ERG with 43 members. One of which (Jonathan Gullis) is a member of both. So that is a potential 77 votes if she garners full support.

There is also the NZSG where I cannot find a list of members. I am not surprised really. Having to explain to constituents that you want to burn the planet doesn't bring the votes these days.

Could be an interesting few days.

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“Rishi Sunak is scraping the barrel.”

Really could not put it any other way. There is no one of any substance left in the Tories. Johnson made sure any competence was removed. He couldn't handle the competition. Which speaks volumes on the question of why Sunak plays such a starring role in the Tory party.

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A different bias did a video on this also a few days back. He was blaming excessive cost on a massive increase shortages. There is always a shortage on some medical supplies due to the flow and ebb of use. With the UK we had between 10-20 before Brexit. This was in line with other countries int he EU. Now, because we are at the back of the queue, we have 150+ regularly on the shortages list. This has increased procurement costs massively.

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The "rest is politics" podcast interview with Mark Carney and his views on Brexit.

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Credit to Phil Moorhouse @ a different bias youtube.

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago

A tory with balls, good for him.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

I think you missed the point of the forum. You are not really supposed to answer your own question.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

The reason we had such a deal was because we had restrictions for not being a member of the Schengen or the Euro zone. If we rejoined the EU then joining Schengen and the Euro would be a prerequisite. This is the same for all new members of the EU. There would be no punitive conditions as the EU is based on everyone being equal.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago

This seems to be the next level of culture wars. They have no interest in researching why there is an increase in shoplifting occurrences.

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

So his first amendment right is to call for the murder of the top military, disparage election processes and their employees, intimidate witnesses that are part of an investigation against him as well as the judiciaries in charge of that process. But no one in anyway shape or form are allowed to call him out on this.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

Considering the right to protest is hampered by police discretion, I don't see it in the same light. There are only a few platforms left to make yourself visible.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago

It is a starting point. When can we talk about the £1b his family's business has taken from oil companies weeks before he handed out 100 new oil survey licenses. Or the fact his father has many close links in India, yet we are about to take on another shockingly bad trade deal with them.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Pretty sad that the US treats reporters this way for outing crimes. Any guilty plea will only ever be viewed as a pressured response. "you can go to jail for the rest of your life or just admit it and we will reduce the sentence". It makes a mockery of free reporting.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago

The BBC has become such a travesty in the way it pushes the Tory agenda. Some of the unions in the NHS are striking for the first time in their history. Reporters are being told time and time again about how bad the conditions are. There are massive issues in the NHS with staffing. Gaslighting with figures that are produced by a corrupt source are not going to cut it.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

I guess the Bank of England doesn't think this will exacerbate inflation.

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