Redcuban1959

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Peru had a left-wing Socdem Military Dictator called Juan Velasco, he promoted Native Culture and Language, he also hated Chile because of the Chilean War against Peru and Bolivia during the 1800's. He was Reverse Pinochet, while Pinochet would steal land from natives and privitaze stuff, Velasco would give land and nationalize. Eventually the US had enough of Velasco and in the 1970's the Right-Wing of the Peruvian army removed him from power. But his ideas had an impact on the Peruvian Armed Forces. During the 1980's Shining Path insurgency and the War against Ecuador, some Military Leaders attempted to get the goverment to regain the trust from the Native Population, this is what eventually lead to the Ethnocacerist movement. Then after Fujimori's coup and during his dictatorship, he was killing natives, eventually he became so unpopular that he had to flee to Japan, in Peru some military leaders attempted to remove him with a coup.

The Fujimori Dictatorship had another impact on leftist in Peru, many turned radicial, and since he targeted natives, many Incans became enraged at the Mestizo majority and the White minority who supported Fujimori. The 2000's had some instability thanks to Fujimori fucking up the economy, the neoliberal, socdem goverments had some trouble governing, and the fear of Keiko Fujimori return to the presidency basically created this weird trend that if a candidate went on run-off against Keiko, everyone should vote for the Anti-Fujimori candidate regardless of their ideology, because anti-fujimorism is that strong.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I'm gonna tell you a secret, OK? Indigenous people can, believe it or not, post L's sometimes... Yeah, I know it's hard to believe, but Indigenous groups have complex internal politics and are fully capable of having bad ideas, seeing as they are, you know, human beings and all.

True, some natives (even in the US) think they are superior than the mestizo population because their blood is much more pure than those of mestizo/pardo population, but this idea is not popular at all with most native politicians (This is similar to how the black movement in Brazil started as a far-right monarchist movement that eventually became left-wing).

but my impression just from briefly looking at ethnocacerism is that it seems really the same as any other far-right movement: an attempt to push people away from a coherent ideology that would actually liberate them. I wouldn't be surprised if this movement is essentially funded by capitalists, Peruvian or Septic or whatever else, as a bulwark against class consciousness among Indigenous Peruvians.

They are not far-right, they openly said they are anti-imperialist, anti-fascist and anti-marxist (mostly due to them being former soldiers that fought the Shining Path, they follow José Carlos Mariátegui instead of Marx). They started out as a group inspired by Left-Wing Socdem Military Dictator of Peru Jose Velasco, who promoted Native Culture and Language, and also hated Chile because of the War of the Pacific. These soldiers became much more radical during the 1990's because of Fujimori promoting a genocide in Peru. Since they are also veterans of the wars against Ecuador, they also hates them, but they also want to united with Bolivia and really like Evo Morales, Hugo Chavez and Lula da Silva (all of whom are minorities). They are currently agains the Peruvian goverment and are allied with the Shining Path, Communist Party and the Socdem and Liberal parties. No one seems to know why they use nazi symbols, but I guess it's because the leaders were very inspired by WW2 and were trained in WW2 era tactics to use against the Shining Path during the 1980's. They seemed to have let go of some of their racist views, even going as far as to defend some Venezuelan immigrants in Peru, saying that they also are Pro-Bolivar.

I think the magic word is "cosmic race" and the guy who invented this idea was José Vasconcelos. I don't know how relevant this idea is for ethnocacerism, but it is something to be aware of, although I could be getting the idea a bit wrong, I am by no means an expert.

Ethnocacerism is against the comic race idea. In resume, José Vasconcelos saw race segregation in the US and white supremacy and was like "Wait! They are all wrong and dumb! We shouldn't separate race, but rather unify all races into a single powerful race!". Nowadays we know that race doesn't exist, but at that time it was a progressive idea. And it inspired the goverments in Latin America to promote interracial marriage and relations (Which to many Afro-Latinos and Natives, was the only way the could buy land until the 1930's. But for sometime the media at the time portrayed them in positive way, even some Far-Right groups in Latin America promoted race unity), because they would ended up all becoming a powerful race that would unify the world in peace. Ethnocacerists are against this because they used to think that Incans (Central Andean Natives) were better than anyone else, specially Amazon Natives and Afro-Peruvians. But it seems that they have let go of this ideas.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Is this about the Ethnocacerists? They are not nazis, they used to be racist and homophobic. But if you have the context of 1960's - 2000's Peru you would see why such a movement exists inside their armed forces. They are a communist (not marxist) ultra-left militaristic group inside the Peruvian military that mostly hates Chile, Fujimori and imperialism, their problems is their attitude towards black Peruvians and LGBTQ+. They are currently a lot less racist and even defend immigrants, I guess the have become somewhat more in favor of Grande Patria than a new Incan State.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Ethnocaceristas are anti-fascist, anti-communist and anti-capitalist, proclaiming that “communism appropriated the concept-term socialism; but in the ‘ethnocultural’ approach... Antauro Humala snatches socialism from the socialists”. Some media - and certain ethnocacerists - perceive ethnocacerism as leftist or extreme political leftism. For the ethnocacerists, their ideology is “neither right, left, nor center, but below”.

Because ethnocacerismo often evokes Andean symbols stylized to resemble German Nazi symbology, the doctrine has been described by various media as a form of Peruvian Amerindian Nazism.

No idea why they use nazi symbols though, I guess they just want to show they are racists?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago

Tbh, they don't see themselfs as fascists. They openly say they are Left-Wing Inca Nationalists, they claim they aren't Marxists or Fascists, they prefer to follow José Carlos Mariátegui teachings. I think they just want to be communists and racists at the same time, Fujimori really fucked up Peru by attempting to kill all native people and for being an actual monster. And all these weird left-wing rose up in reaction to that, even though they say they are racist and hate gay people, they are allied with the Shining Path and the Liberal-Socdem Parties that are anti-Fujmori.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

They want to create an Inca communist state. They want to recover the lands they consider Inca, they worship Evo Morales, Hugo Chávez and Lula da Silva (there are some very strange Trotskyists in South America who say that Lula is secretly an ultranationalist and hides his power), and they mainly want to take control of Peru, reunite it with Bolivia, conquer Ecuador and attack Chile with nuclear weapons (just kidding, they just want revenge against Chile). They are mostly veterans of the Peruvian Internal Conflict, of Ecuador's various border wars and were members of Fujimori's death squads (but they hate Fujimori because Fujimori is an extreme right-wing neoliberal monster who hates the natives). They don't like Marx because he's European and have replaced him with the creator of Peruvian communism, Mariátegui, and the native hero, Tupac Amaru.

They took control of several smaller conservative and socdem parties to run for public office and also attempted a coup in 2005. Ollanta Humala, former president of Peru, was the son of the creator of this movement and his government was supposed to be an ethnocacerist government, but ended up becoming just a socdem. Today, they are against the current Peruvian government, are allied with the Shining Path, the Peruvian Communist Party, Peru Libre and some socdem parties, and are part of the left-wing and liberal anti-government movement. Iirc Ollanta Humala lost his first election in 2006 because of his links to the ethnocacerist movement. Allan Garcia (Socdem's rival) basically said that Ollanta was going to kill all the black and gay Peruvians in Peru, he also talked about his links with Fujimori and the fact that Ollanta had promised to pardon Gonzalo (Shining Path leader) and Víctor Polay (MRTA, the good left-wing guerrillas during the 1980s and 1990s, basically they were just defending themselves).

They are racist towards Afro-Peruvians (there is still a lot of racism in Peru) and hate gay Peruvians. The Nazi symbols mixed with the Inca symbols are still used, but I have no idea why they were used and it seems that most Peruvians don't know why either. They seem to have abandoned racism somewhat recently. They have even said that they are brothers and friends of Venezuelans and Brazilians. Their creation was inspired by Peru's left-wing social democratic military dictator, Velasco, who during the 1960s promoted native ideology and tried to make some native languages Peru's second language, as well as hating Chile, not trusting Allende and hating Pinochet even more. Although Velasco was overthrown in the 1970s, the left wing of the Peruvian Army still existed for some time. Their ideology at the beginning was just “Maybe the government should do something to regain the trust of the poor native population”, but after Fujimori's coup and the failed liberal counter-coup, I think they became much more radical due to the neoliberal reforms and Fujimori's genocide.

Anti-Fujimorism is a weird coalition that basically forces a bunch of people to support the most random candidate against the Fujimorista candidate. I don't think the Etnocarceristas are that relevant nowadays, but they are part of the Anti-Fujimori group. And the still have some influence within the armed forces.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's Peru, those are Inca Nationalists and allies of the Shining Path. I think they were close to Ollanta Humala's goverment, because he is the son or nephew of their leader. They claim to be ultra-leftist that want an Inca communist state and unite with Boliva, so they can nuke Chile. They are very racist towards Afro Peruvians and lgbtq+ people.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I don't think she is a terf. I guess she is just a lib that supports Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 day ago (10 children)

North Carolina crossed the 4 million vote line with early voting coming to an end this Saturday. Independent voters took the lead in the vote.

  • Independents: 1,420,766 votes
  • Republicans: 1,403,106 votes
  • Democrats 1,351,772 votes
[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think somehow the supreme court will rule something in favor of Trump and let him win the election. Biden won't do shit or anything cool like send the army and kill and the supreme court judges, the Dems will accept this.

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