I at least saw it a few days before, but forgot to move over. Honestly it's getting annoying. I have been through 3 different servers all of which have shutdown including fmhy and antemerridiem.

Wish I had seen this post before it all shutdown. I ended up moving to dbzero in a rush.

Same!

What ideas do you have? I hadn't heard the term groundwork before now, and I don't know what this debate is about really. Can you explain?