I think framing copyright piracy as a moral panic is sleazy and wrong, just as I believe that anti-piracy campaigns which seek to scare and demonize people who pirate music or movies are wrong. I cannot support this rhetoric in good faith, this is the modern day equivalent of "think of the children" for enforcing fake ownership of something that can't be really owned.
Go fuck yourself asshole, I know from that comment that you've clearly never been harassed before online or in real life. I have, both IRL and online. I've also been aggressively misgendered by strangers "friends" and even family, it's not something you can brush off. Don't talk out of your ass about things you know nothing about.
First and last ones are only true for big corporate models. The second one is subjective whether you believe in copyright policing. I don't, but I'm pro-piracy and believe that IP gatekeeping is harmful to our culture at large. I've seen both how ruthless IP holders can be, and I've also seen how lazy they are at rehashing the same ideas over and over (why movie studios and authors reuse the same plots, stories, or remake the same content over and over and over again). I don't agree with this.
The first one and last one are big problems, but are easily solved by using Open source software (that things that everyone forgets exists) and self-hosting yourself, I can use my own GPU to run an instance of AIhorde software for nothing more than what it takes to play a video game.
Edit: It should be allowed just for the reason that people don’t need the excuse to act out. I can’t state an opinion without them feeling like they need to downvote to punish me.
People should be banned or punished for acting out regardless of if it's banned or not, them being allowed to just act out makes the space tribalist and hostile. It makes people (especially neurodivergent people) feel unwelcome. Which as an inclusive community which has many vulnerable people is the opposite of what we want. @[email protected] Please take note of this because I think the safety aspect here is something that is seriously overlooked. No one wants to come into a community and be yelled at because someone thought their art was AI, people who do that should be banned on the spot whether we allow or ban AI itself.
I don't agree with this. Copyright and Intellectual property arguments like this are the modern day equivalent of "Think of the children" but with IP holders instead of children. I'm an avid believer in piracy and information access and this sounds like pro-copyright dogma to me.
What I think is a better solution is to have open-source and self-hostable models like AIhorde which aren't corporate in nature and don't make money. They are open-source projects that anyone can run or contribute to. But screw copyright and screw IP gatekeeping, I'm not going to justify or rationalize this with what are ultimately the same slippery slope arguments used against piracy
Personally I feel like AI should be allowed if the memes and content are high quality and that they aren't being spammed rapidly.
What I do think should be done regardless of the outcome to ban AI or not is heavy policing on anti-AI harassment, trolling, witch-hunting, and bad faith arguments. I was just harassed by an idiot and still haven't fully recovered but this shit is unacceptable. So if we ban AI or not we need to ban the idiots trolling and trying to hunt down people they suspect of using AI. These people are toxic to the community and will hurt the community more than even low-effort AI spam will. I'm not going to provide names of people because they will accuse me of harassing them and probably harass me in return (just like the idiot earlier).
I agree, I fear that we're going to see a lot of gaslighting and accusations of AI generated content if we try this route. I've already seen this happening with people accusing others of AI generated text and it's shitty. I can recognize the risk of people being shitty and evil and I think that's something that needs to be fought against directly, not enabled by just yelling "AI bAD" and leaning into Ad-hominem and personal attacks.
I was about two and a half years until I decided to drink again about 12 hours ago. I think I drank about 2 and a half glasses of Vodka before puking, it was terrible. I still feel like shit for breaking sobriety and also because drinking made me feel like shit. I used to drink way more than this before, to the point it was scary and I almost died several times, I vividly remember waking up once in the hospital with a policeman there because he found me unconscious in the gutter, I probably would be dead if he hadn't.
I just worry that if I start drinking again I'll begin spiraling like I did before, it was scary. I once woke up in the hospital with a police officer next to me who told me he found me face down in the gutter on the side of the road and almost thought I was dead. If he hadn't found me that night I might've been.
I don't really have the tolerance I used to anymore it seems since I ended up throwing up a lot when I tried drinking some of my old vodka. I don't know how many shots it was since I used a full glass but I didn't even get through two and a half glasses before throwing up.
Profile pictures too if you want, mine is a mushroom witch generated with stable diffusion.
I mean you kind of should care since the tagline of the instance is "Be Weird, Download a Car, Generate Art, Screw Copyrights" it's kind of hypocritical to stay on an instance if you don't believe in or are aggressively against its principles. Like it wouldn't make sense for someone to be a member of the piracy instance if they believe that piracy is wrong and intellectual property should be respected, similar thing goes for the AI instance. That might sound like a wrong comparison but the vast majority of anti-AI arguments I hear people barf up are along the lines of "we need to respect copyright" and "stealing intellectual property is wrong" "won't someone think of the ~~children~~ artists".
I'm not really arguing against that, or trying to say that AI is any less or more creative. I'm saying that the moral panic of "copyright infringement" AKA "art theft" is stupid to me because it's based on the made up idea that people own the physical analog of an idea the same way I can own a laptop or a car. Piracy isn't stealing, and it never has been. Piracy's moral panic is based on the idea of me not buying something because I was able to pirate it. Here's the thing though. I'm not going to buy it anyway, if you think I will you don't know me.
Someone could say that I'm bad because I used AI to generate my pfp, but I wouldn't have commissioned an artist to draw it for me. I would've just taken it for free somewhere else whether it was a legal source like freely licensed or a screen-rip from an anime. If there wasn't anywhere else I just wouldn't have a pfp. Piracy isn't stealing, the amount of pirates who would buy anyway is lower than any anti-piracy advocates would like you to believe. And I do believe the same is true here for the most part.
There's muddyness when it comes to commercial AI and I don't like big tech commercial AI since they are sleazy and scamming people, but also because they will happily cut us all off and make us pay. I do not think OpenAI or Ahthropic are good companies or doing good things for our world. I just don't believe the standard Anti-AI rhetoric that it's bad because of copyright infringement. I've pirated movies in the past, even when it was shitty and low quality. This isn't much different to me, yeah it's not as good as the real thing, I don't deny that. Same with AI, AI images are like those pirated movies, lower quality, maybe shaky, real art is something else.