Please communicate to site mods. I'm happy for this to be copy pasted or linked.
This is unformatted. I'm sorry. It's bringing back memories and old emotions, and I'm too angry to write super clearly.
I can't emphasise how vile my first week here was. One of two experiences that has had a long lasting impact on how I interact with online leftist communities.
Hmm, I've just had a thought: sounding an awful lot like a small trauma. Wait, no way, it affected my relationship with online leftist communities and changed my attachment type with them and created a change in my personality!? No way, I never realised something so serious until my reflection just now.
I really do emphasise how vile it was. Fuck that shit. I'm not having it in my life. Whatever I said and whatever many of my vegan comrades said was completely dismissed, with people:
trolling - but that's unavoidable on a site and probably new sign ups, so that's forgiven.
Issue #2: It's absurdly funny and ironic that :
~rightist position - facts don't care about feelings (foolish notion: but feelings are clearly constituting what facts they care about; their facts are to re-affirm values) (rationalising and philosophised justifications to re-affirm bogus values, and values inform decision-making.)
~with respect to last written paragaph, the majority Hexbear position quite literally seems to be the same as the rightist position
~leftist toxic idpol position: feelings or values (~~wrong~~ value systems/hierarchies) rule what facts facts you care about.
Christ, I'm not even Marxist saying this: people were left, right and centre dismissing material reality/material analysis. Animals feel pain!! That's what they avoid, and that's why they cry when they can't avoid pain and they're going to their death. Did you know wasps also recognise faces!? ArticleStudy I bet that subverses your stereotypes about animals. I haven't even considered the shared animalised and racialised history (racialisation by animalisation, and animalisation by racialising imperialism.)
The mods had people accusing an indigenous mod of being racist. ??? Assumed they were white ??? I always distinctly remember the user weenuk!! Just, ew. I felt Weenuk was on here a long ass time before they left?
An indigenous mod, a black mod, two Jewish mods banned from the site (as an aside, there are people behind keyboards); people being banned for being vegan, whilst all the racist discourse on the site in response to veganism went unchecked and remained. (How many posts did weenuk make before they left!?) Not a good look, at all. It was fine to ban these vegan mods, whilst racism was being left and unchecked on the site.
Also, I'm certain ableist logic was rife at the time at the time. Always is with carnism (natural, normal, nice, necessary.) Did anyone know whether any of the banned individuals had disabilties? No one did! No one ever asked. I wasn't asked when I was banned. Disability scholars use the social model of disability just as much as the medical one ~the social model of disability makes someone disabled due to social organisation/structure. By virtue, that model disability activists and scholars use all the time make victimised people disabled!! Social model of disability is seemlessly adjacent to material analysis, in that they focus entirely on social organisation (structure.) The organisational/institutional barriers in both the disability model and material analysis are there for racialised people, medically disabled people, non-human living beings aka farmed animals, vaginaed and bepenised individuals, with the enforcement of gendered expectations through gender roles and its corresponding values, ideals, oppressive behaviours (choices). and social organisation, constituting material domination. Ableist logic constitutes all oppressions to some or a large or an entirely relevant degree,
At this point, I am at a level of uncharitability to what went down that I'm wondering whether most of the site has internalised "Veganism is white supremacy." Have you never heard of Al-Ma'arri!? Yes, it's uncharitable, and I swear by the principle of charity [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity](Principle of charity) but it's hard to think of the best interpretation of what went down! At the very least, I can soundly conclude that the majority Hexbear's userbase racistly stereotypes on racist arbitrary taxonomies (~racism), or that they're completely fine with that happening on their site (racism), which is a very bad look/is complicit/hasn't taken accountability for/, which are no ~zilch ~nada: acts of solidarity with racialised people as one disenfranchised class/position in a hierarchy.
The (disgusting) enlightened centrist or rightist position and accusation against the left (in my anecdotal experiences) of: the most dangerous people are those that are righteous
...is unironically right when in application to the large userbase of this site, with all the toxic idpoling, reactionary, pro-patriarchal thinking, pro-hierarchical and pro-various supremacies in this site. (hierarchy has both ideal and material realities, with large coconstitution and continuity between the two.)
All strikethrough text is what comes to mind on what Hexbear fails on with their disregard for vegan considerations. a non-exhaustive list of things this site should stand against:
~~ableism~~ (ableist logic is rife: veganism is anti-ableist logic)
~~speciesism~~
ageism
sizeism, ~~lookism~~ fatphobia
~~racism and colorism~~
ethnic discrimination
unorganised-religious discrimination
~~sexism~~ (as an aside, it's important to note that sexism, for example, contributes to commodified, objectified, or animalised both vaginaed and bepenised individuals through many mechanisms. one mechanism is sexism and or newer ideologies based on that. another one mechanism the coconstitution between different 'types' of oppression: for example between sexism and racism, and sexism transphobia. of course, bepenised individuals across all demographics also get SA, through other unnamed or uncategorised mechanisms. that's a part of the diversity of life and lived experience. we're more diverse than we can ever give credit for.)
the reason i bring up SA is a stark example of sexism. you can't do one oppression without beginning or entrenching the the oppression of others. that's how unjustified hierarchies perform. Christ, if someone is a sexist, they oppress about half of the racialised population! That's just continuity in the human species. Now, Hexbear needs to see other coconstitutions/continuities between different disenfranchised classes. P.S. on veganism, for starters, check continuities between species! But it doesn't end there on the different forms of oppression of disenfranchised classes/arbitrary, manmade taxonomies.
transphobia (I've heard this site had a problem with transphobia before...) (I wonder how much of transphobia come back to internalised gender roles in a disgusting patriarchy or any pro-hierarchal society, codified into actions, forcing in material domination for a victimised person, with no recourse or justice a) by the nature of wanton hierarchical societies and b) by nature of material domination producing imparity in power between victimised and abuser.) Point is, if this tangent on transphobia is the case, for which we have good reasons... : if sexism and ideological carnism are coconstituted to any degree, Hexbear has a hand in sustaining all sorts of oppression.
homophobia and biphobia and all that jazz
a list of things we stand for: valuing sex positivity, body positivity + body neutrality, ethical consumerism (im pretty sure someone's disenfranchised child slavery/animal chattel slavery/victims of child SA don't appreciate a 'leftist's' no ethical consumption under capitalism' ideological justification for catering colonial desires and keeping convenience.) broadly valuing difference instead of sameness (valuing sameness >> white and human superemacies!)
and ultimately culminating in: acts of solidarity with disenfranchised classes, anti-class / anti-hierarchy, ultimately bringing us to anti-classism (and anti-acac for those who act against solidarity for disenfranchised classes and act in solidarity ~in accordance with exploitive and unjust classes.) and anti-imperialism and decolonisation of actions
I don’t want to call you out; I’m calling all of Hexbear out. Though I do feel the non-vegan mod team was more responsible, by virtue of its position in a (justifiable) (mod-for-a-forum) hierarchy and not being vegan and not all standing behind OP in not standing behind faer in calling wreckers being wreckers. And, considering you were on the moderation team, both helping making these bans and I guess not vegan, you can take it personally in that sense, I suppose. It was a moderation wide failure for the non-vegans and a sitewide issue for Hexbear users. They should have supported us and the mods should have stood behind the vegan community, instead of putting all vegans including vegans in precarious positions on the site: coercive.
I can honor my bad experiences by telling you. I hope you can tell the site administration what I’ve said here (to your understanding) to honor my experiences and the experiences of other users and do your part in taking restorative action for what happened and for the bondage of animals. I also expect you go vegan (gain vegan ethics) (and I don’t expect you to deny yourself medical care...~) , don’t do racism, ableism, speciesism, racism, sexism, and transphobia in response to veganism and vegan considerations (incorporate becoming non-oppressive, to your ability, in your self-actualisation!)
Please do.
Please communicate to site mods. I'm happy for this to be copy pasted or linked.
This is unformatted. I'm sorry. It's bringing back memories and old emotions, and I'm too angry to write super clearly.
I can't emphasise how vile my first week here was. One of two experiences that has had a long lasting impact on how I interact with online leftist communities.
Hmm, I've just had a thought: sounding an awful lot like a small trauma. Wait, no way, it affected my relationship with online leftist communities and changed my attachment type with them and created a change in my personality!? No way, I never realised something so serious until my reflection just now.
I really do emphasise how vile it was. Fuck that shit. I'm not having it in my life. Whatever I said and whatever many of my vegan comrades said was completely dismissed, with people:
trolling - but that's unavoidable on a site and probably new sign ups, so that's forgiven.
Issue #2: It's absurdly funny and ironic that : ~rightist position - facts don't care about feelings (foolish notion: but feelings are clearly constituting what facts they care about; their facts are to re-affirm values) (rationalising and philosophised justifications to re-affirm bogus values, and values inform decision-making.)
~with respect to last written paragaph, the majority Hexbear position quite literally seems to be the same as the rightist position ~leftist toxic idpol position: feelings or values (~~wrong~~ value systems/hierarchies) rule what facts facts you care about.
Christ, I'm not even Marxist saying this: people were left, right and centre dismissing material reality/material analysis. Animals feel pain!! That's what they avoid, and that's why they cry when they can't avoid pain and they're going to their death. Did you know wasps also recognise faces!? Article Study I bet that subverses your stereotypes about animals. I haven't even considered the shared animalised and racialised history (racialisation by animalisation, and animalisation by racialising imperialism.)
The mods had people accusing an indigenous mod of being racist. ??? Assumed they were white ??? I always distinctly remember the user weenuk!! Just, ew. I felt Weenuk was on here a long ass time before they left?
An indigenous mod, a black mod, two Jewish mods banned from the site (as an aside, there are people behind keyboards); people being banned for being vegan, whilst all the racist discourse on the site in response to veganism went unchecked and remained. (How many posts did weenuk make before they left!?) Not a good look, at all. It was fine to ban these vegan mods, whilst racism was being left and unchecked on the site.
Also, I'm certain ableist logic was rife at the time at the time. Always is with carnism (natural, normal, nice, necessary.) Did anyone know whether any of the banned individuals had disabilties? No one did! No one ever asked. I wasn't asked when I was banned. Disability scholars use the social model of disability just as much as the medical one ~the social model of disability makes someone disabled due to social organisation/structure. By virtue, that model disability activists and scholars use all the time make victimised people disabled!! Social model of disability is seemlessly adjacent to material analysis, in that they focus entirely on social organisation (structure.) The organisational/institutional barriers in both the disability model and material analysis are there for racialised people, medically disabled people, non-human living beings aka farmed animals, vaginaed and bepenised individuals, with the enforcement of gendered expectations through gender roles and its corresponding values, ideals, oppressive behaviours (choices). and social organisation, constituting material domination. Ableist logic constitutes all oppressions to some or a large or an entirely relevant degree,
At this point, I am at a level of uncharitability to what went down that I'm wondering whether most of the site has internalised "Veganism is white supremacy." Have you never heard of Al-Ma'arri!? Yes, it's uncharitable, and I swear by the principle of charity [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity](Principle of charity) but it's hard to think of the best interpretation of what went down! At the very least, I can soundly conclude that the majority Hexbear's userbase racistly stereotypes on racist arbitrary taxonomies (~racism), or that they're completely fine with that happening on their site (racism), which is a very bad look/is complicit/hasn't taken accountability for/, which are no ~zilch ~nada: acts of solidarity with racialised people as one disenfranchised class/position in a hierarchy.
...is unironically right when in application to the large userbase of this site, with all the toxic idpoling, reactionary, pro-patriarchal thinking, pro-hierarchical and pro-various supremacies in this site. (hierarchy has both ideal and material realities, with large coconstitution and continuity between the two.)
All strikethrough text is what comes to mind on what Hexbear fails on with their disregard for vegan considerations. a non-exhaustive list of things this site should stand against:
~~ableism~~ (ableist logic is rife: veganism is anti-ableist logic)
~~speciesism~~
ageism
sizeism, ~~lookism~~ fatphobia
~~racism and colorism~~
ethnic discrimination
unorganised-religious discrimination
~~sexism~~ (as an aside, it's important to note that sexism, for example, contributes to commodified, objectified, or animalised both vaginaed and bepenised individuals through many mechanisms. one mechanism is sexism and or newer ideologies based on that. another one mechanism the coconstitution between different 'types' of oppression: for example between sexism and racism, and sexism transphobia. of course, bepenised individuals across all demographics also get SA, through other unnamed or uncategorised mechanisms. that's a part of the diversity of life and lived experience. we're more diverse than we can ever give credit for.)
the reason i bring up SA is a stark example of sexism. you can't do one oppression without beginning or entrenching the the oppression of others. that's how unjustified hierarchies perform. Christ, if someone is a sexist, they oppress about half of the racialised population! That's just continuity in the human species. Now, Hexbear needs to see other coconstitutions/continuities between different disenfranchised classes. P.S. on veganism, for starters, check continuities between species! But it doesn't end there on the different forms of oppression of disenfranchised classes/arbitrary, manmade taxonomies.
transphobia (I've heard this site had a problem with transphobia before...) (I wonder how much of transphobia come back to internalised gender roles in a disgusting patriarchy or any pro-hierarchal society, codified into actions, forcing in material domination for a victimised person, with no recourse or justice a) by the nature of wanton hierarchical societies and b) by nature of material domination producing imparity in power between victimised and abuser.) Point is, if this tangent on transphobia is the case, for which we have good reasons... : if sexism and ideological carnism are coconstituted to any degree, Hexbear has a hand in sustaining all sorts of oppression.
homophobia and biphobia and all that jazz
a list of things we stand for: valuing sex positivity, body positivity + body neutrality, ethical consumerism (im pretty sure someone's disenfranchised child slavery/animal chattel slavery/victims of child SA don't appreciate a 'leftist's' no ethical consumption under capitalism' ideological justification for catering colonial desires and keeping convenience.) broadly valuing difference instead of sameness (valuing sameness >> white and human superemacies!)
and ultimately culminating in: acts of solidarity with disenfranchised classes, anti-class / anti-hierarchy, ultimately bringing us to anti-classism (and anti-acac for those who act against solidarity for disenfranchised classes and act in solidarity ~in accordance with exploitive and unjust classes.) and anti-imperialism and decolonisation of actions
I don’t want to call you out; I’m calling all of Hexbear out. Though I do feel the non-vegan mod team was more responsible, by virtue of its position in a (justifiable) (mod-for-a-forum) hierarchy and not being vegan and not all standing behind OP in not standing behind faer in calling wreckers being wreckers. And, considering you were on the moderation team, both helping making these bans and I guess not vegan, you can take it personally in that sense, I suppose. It was a moderation wide failure for the non-vegans and a sitewide issue for Hexbear users. They should have supported us and the mods should have stood behind the vegan community, instead of putting all vegans including vegans in precarious positions on the site: coercive.
I can honor my bad experiences by telling you. I hope you can tell the site administration what I’ve said here (to your understanding) to honor my experiences and the experiences of other users and do your part in taking restorative action for what happened and for the bondage of animals. I also expect you go vegan (gain vegan ethics) (and I don’t expect you to deny yourself medical care...~) , don’t do racism, ableism, speciesism, racism, sexism, and transphobia in response to veganism and vegan considerations (incorporate becoming non-oppressive, to your ability, in your self-actualisation!)