I know. I had a reactive dog. Found him as a stray in terrible condition.

He made it to 16 but he never fully lost that reactivity. I used to get all kinds of judgement from people saying things like you said.

Its weird talking to non-libertarians about governance. I can't tell when you're being sarcastic and when your worldview really is that divorced from mine.

And yea, there are libertarian socialists, though they don't always claim us and we don't always claim them.

But consider that government is always a balance between allowing liberty and preventing anarchy. People do best when they have control over their own lives. That can't happen when you have a nanny state protecting them from their own choices, but it also can't happen when the biggest dick in the room can beat you down and take all your shit.

I'm not saying pitts can't be violent. I'm saying my bad dog experiences have all been other breeds.

And not every reactive dog is the owner's fault. The world is more complicated than that.

Libertarian doesn't mean no taxes. There's a spectrum. I'd favor paying for Healthcare over paying for bullshit wars.

I cant see the post for whatever reason but yea, some libertarians do.

Universal Healthcare is not explicitly a socialist idea.

Literally never encountered a mean Pitt. Plenty of other breeds though.

My eyes just rolled out of my head.

They're "not real progressives" I guess. Kinda like how its "not real communism" when shit doesn't work out. Go home.

30 point gap? Is that some kind of "stupid libertarian" joke?

Thats the kind of shit I'm used to from "progressives".

I want to be understood and seen as a person but I'm really questioning whether its worth trying anymore.

Ive had this conversation enough times I know how it goes.

I'll point out how Obama and Biden both expanded executive power, setting precedent for Trump to exploit.

You'll either flatly deny it or try to make me prove it then bad faith nitpick until I go away.

I'll point out how pressuring Facebook and using OSHA to push the covid vaccine was a massive federal overreach and You'll accuse me of being anti-science.

You might point out that Trump is just as bad like its a gotcha but I fucking hate him too so it doesn't work.

I'll complain about progressives being against freedom of speech and you'll smirk and say "What speech?" Because obviously the only reason someone would be concerned about the government dictating what you can and cant say is that they want to yell slurs at their neighbor.

Around this point you'll call me either racist, sexist or homophobic. Or maybe class traitor. Thats always a fun one.

Or you'll figure out I'm not straight and im only white when progressives don't like what I have to say and you'll decide im a race traitor too.

So yea I dont have a lot of patience with having this discussion anymore.

You brought up Biden and Trump.

I think you're just trying to fuck with people.

Make up your mind are we stupid and evil for voting for Biden or for NOT voting for Biden? Im getting mixed messages and I think you just want someone to be mad at.

I used to believe that. I joined with progressives after Bush 2. All we've gotten is further into the pit and more of our rights stripped away, with the progressives cheering as long as their side does it, just like the goddamned magas

I find these sorts of rules tend not to be uniformly enforced.