DroneRights

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

The skyscrapers, dams, and bridges are representations of what may be some unknown part of some unknown conscious entity, according to Hoffman. Hoffman does not believe consciousness is exclusive to human beings.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Why not a simple relativist answer to the problem?

"I want to have a revolution because capitalism causes me to perceive myself and others as suffering. I have a subjective distaste for suffering and choose to impose my personal views upon the world by supporting communism. I will use the scientific method to determine which actions of mine reduce perceived suffering, and then I will do those actions."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

There has to be some existence in which evolution selected for things for it to work

Some, yes. But not one that carries the cultural baggage with which you associate the term "existence". It does not imply that there exists matter, or nonconscious entities.

If we cannot know reality, then there is no reason to believe this aspect of reality is true either, and therefore no reason to believe that we cannot know reality etc etc

If we are to propose that reality exists, then we must have some consistent theory of reality that does not invalidate itself. Hoffman proves that mainstream realism invalidates itself. In the absence of a coherent model, the null hypothesis of solipsism is supported by Occam's razor. You seem to think realism is the null hypothesis, which is as strange as it is to say that a teapot orbiting mars is the null hypothesis.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think you read my comment the wrong way around. I said Donald Hoffman proposes the answer is "yes", as in "yes, the last human would see the works of humanity".

Hoffman's theory of conscious realism is summarised on Wikipedia like this:

Conscious Realism is described as a non-physicalist monism which holds that consciousness is the primary reality and the physical world emerges from that. The objective world consists of conscious agents and their experiences. "What exists in the objective world, independent of my perceptions, is a world of conscious agents, not a world of unconscious particles and fields. Those particles and fields are icons in the MUIs of conscious agents but are not themselves fundamental denizens of the objective world. Consciousness is fundamental."[8][3]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If genes can configure a brain to produce sensations in the absence of stimuli, what is hard to believe about conscious realism?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or in other words how can you possibly hope to change anything when you can only ever know nothing.

There's an old saying from chaos magic, and maybe you've heard it in Assassin's Creed as the philosophy of the Assassins too: "nothing is true. everything is permitted."

If I believe in nothing, then I can choose to believe in anything. I find unrealism to be revolutionary.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think the answer to that question is unknowable at our current level of scientific development. There is an argument to be made from Occam's razor that the answer is "no", because that's the simplest explanation for the available data. Likewise, the "no" answer does afford us the greatest revolutionary potential. Believing it is beneficial to human welfare. On the other hand, Donalf Hoffman proposes a theory I find intriguing, called conscious realism, which says the answer is "yes". I would be willing to entertain the idea that the answer is "yes" for purposes of smoother communication with people who aren't quite ready for the level of revolutionary potential I propose.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That seems to be moving the goalposts quite a bit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

According to conventional neuroscience, the brain is somehow capable of transforming 130 million binary nervous system signals into the sensation of sight, without having been taught to do so. Likewise, the interface theory of perception holds that the mind is capable of transforming whatever does exist into the perceptual interface we see today.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (9 children)

https://hexbear.net/comment/3894130

The FBT theorem does not depend upon there being a world in order to hold true. Rather, it erodes the concept of there being a world such as humans would understand it to be a world, because it confirms that our perceptions of the world are perceptions of fitness, not truth

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Archimedes said, "Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to balance it, and I shall move the world." Chaos magicians take a similar view when it comes to moving the mind. Tools of magic are levers, and your learned ability to control your own beliefs is the fulcrum. Any mental change is possible if these two tools are advanced enough.

I seek to use chaos magic to effect societal change that will further the goals of the revolution.

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