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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Very much agree with this. Multiple onboarding instances that all work basically the same way, routing new users to them based on geography and language to start, and maybe when the sign-up in complete, the first post they see is an automated very basic primer that includes something about that Lemmy isn't owned by anyone, let alone by a giant corporation that wants to collect and sell their identity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Who manages this, and who defines the criteria?

That's exactly the kind of thing the Lemmy community needs to figure out together. There doesn't have to be just one, but there should only be a handful, and they should work basically the same way. Ideally some consortium or committee would come together to agree on a simplified protocol for onboarding. I realize that's easier said than done in the early, Wild West days of Lemmy. But if the Fediverse is going to take off and undermine the billionaire-run social media networks, it needs to be easy enough for your grandma to understand it, and be able to sign up and get around without getting lost of confused.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Actually, that Reddit post was exactly the thing that got me thinking about this in the first place. That is not a post for average people. It starts out with an attempt at a simple explanation — "No need to understand federation, servers, or any technical jargon" — but very quickly devolves into exactly those things it said you didn't need to understand. For example, it uses the word "server" 21 times without ever explaining what the word means. And, as I mentioned elsewhere, explainers shouldn't be necessary. What's needed is a cleaner, simpler UX. I've started by suggesting a clearer, simpler onboarding process. The rest I'm still noodling.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Some of those are relatively decent explainers, but what's needed is simplification of the whole onboarding process and UX. Having to read a 2000-word treatise on the Fediverse doesn't solve the problem of the Fediverse being confusing in the first place. :)

To me, the solution is a streamlined onboarding, like I've proposed, driving most people toward one or two common, popular instances where they can just sign up and just find posts that interest them — then let them/help them discover how to further explore once they've got the hang of it.

You can't read about how to use Lemmy any more than you can read about how to ride a bike. And yet, most of the pople trying to drive Lemmy adoption are explaining, explaining, explaining instead of trying to make it simple.

I'm not saying those explainers shouldn't exist. I'm saying they only help people who want to understand Lemmy rather than helping people who just want somewhere to go for a feed of interesting community topics.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

I'm sorry, but you've completely missed the point of this post. I wasn't literally asking those questions (and I did literally say exactly that). That's why each set of questions was couched in an [average user voice] "tag". The point is that these are things nobody needs to ask when signing up for Facebook, etc. They are barriers to anyone to joining Lemmy for who isn't already highly tech-literate.

 

I was invited to comment here by u/BlazeAlt on Reddit last week regarding ways to lower the barriers to joining the Fediverse for average users — so here I go.

I'm sure a lot of this has been discussed ad nauseam, but I do have some specific starting suggestions at the end.

With corporate, single-instance social media, there's one place you go sign up, and you're in. You can find things that interest you with a simple search, and you can find people you know either by their names (Facebook) or by a very simple handle ([at]nickname). And if you're trying to build up an online identity — say, for your new podcast — if you're handle is unique enough you can end each episode with "and you can find us at MyNewPodcast on all the socials!"

Federated social media requires you to choose an instance before you can even sign up. But...

[average user voice]

  • What the hell's an "instance"?
  • How do I choose one?
  • Why do I have to choose one?
  • What do their names mean?
  • What does the instance I choose say about me? -Does choosing one over another have any effect on the experience I will have?
  • How does someone on another instance find me?
  • How do I find someone on another instance?
  • How do I find topics on another instance? -Does my choice of instance affect my access to those topics?
  • Are the rules different on each instance?
  • Who sets the rules?
  • Where do I find them?
  • What if I want to change instances?
  • Will anyone be able to find me?
  • How will they know I'm still me?

[/end average user voice]

Federated social media also requires weirdly complicated handles. [average user voice]

  • Why are there two @ signs?
  • What does it mean if there's a "!" instead of a "@" at the beginning?
  • What the hell are all these weird domain names?
  • Why can't I be just [at]TheSameHandleIUsedOnTwitter?
  • If I'm trying to create an online identity, what's to stop someone from using [at]MyHandle[at]SomeOtherInstance.url and posing as me?
  • What's the Lemmy equivalent of a blue check?
  • If there isn't one, how can anyone be sure someone on Lemmy saying they're me really is me? -I mean, other than starting my own instance with recognizable name — but then I have to learn how to host my own instance.

[/end average user voice]

To be clear: I'm not literally asking these questions. I'm just illustrating some of the hurdles to adoption I described above, and some of the ways in which federated social media is exponentially more complicated than corporate social media.

As for solutions, I don't have an all-encompassing proposal at the moment. But a good place to start would be to agree upon a single default instance for new users to sign up, so that instead of being faced with "first choose an instance," it would be...

Welcome to Lemmy.URL, where you can join Lemmy communities for any topic, all over the world! What do you want your username to be?

  • [____________]

OK, do you want your username to use a common lemmy "instance," like...

  • [ ] ____________ [at] lemmy.URL
  • [ ] ____________ [at] lemm.ee
  • [ ] ____________ [at] etc.

OR would you like more custom username connected to a particular Lemmy community, like...

  • [ ] ____________ [at] sci-fi-fans.url
  • [ ] ____________[at] knittingnuts.url
  • [find Lemmy instances where your username is available]
  • [I know which Lemmy instance I want to join first]

Choosing a community-based username doesn't affect how you use Lemmy — no matter what community you chose, you'll have access to all the same content, communities, users, and feeds.

The [find Lemmy instances] button would lead to a page where you check off various areas of interest to then get a curated subset of relevant instances with a reasonable amount of information about them to help new users select one.

The [I know which instance] button would have you fill in the name of the instance, check if your username is available, then take you to that sign-up page.

So...something akin to join-lemmy.org, but with a flow closers to what I've described above, with very few, easy, "common" default choices, and a little more help through the process of choosing a specialized instance (if you want one).

This onboarding suggestion doesn't solve most of the problems/questions in my bullet lists (ideas still forming), but it would help prevent what happened to me the first few times I looked into Lemmy, which was that as soon as I saw I had to choose an instance before I did anything else — with pretty much zero information on what that meant or how it would affect my use of Lemmy — I said, "I don't have the time for this."

BTW, as I write this, my first Lemmy post, I will also add that the comment fields need to be WYSIWYG for if Lemmy ever hopes to be populated by refugees from Reddit, etc. Creating the quote section above was a huge pain in the ass, that required multiple rounds of [Preview] [Edit] [Preview] [Edit] [Preview] [Edit] [Preview] [Edit].

Food for thought. Cheers.