“Well, they did it in Hawaii in 1960. They had an alternative slate,” Watters countered. “It’s fine. It’s been done before. And the other thing is, like, why can’t you just ask Mike Pence to do that? Mike Pence said no.”
That was Kennedy vs Nixon, and there were important differences vs the shitshow that happened in 2020/2021:
after the first full count, Nixon was ahead by just 147 votes, but there were legit math errors in the count
nobody invoked fraud claims to justify the recount, but they just wanted the count to be accurate.
the full retabulation couldn't finish by the safe harbor deadline, so everyone agreed to certify both slates of electors. One slate wasn't done on the sly.
just before Congress counted the votes, they affirmed that Kennedy actually won, and the Republican governor air-mailed his certification to Congress.
Both slates were presented to the Vice President, and he got unanimous consent from the Senate to accept Kennedy's slate and ignore Nixon's.
That VP was Nixon himself!
Richard Millhous Nixon himself, with more integrity than Donald Trump....
This is one weakness of free soecieties. Even in good-natured reporting and arguments, it is very difficult to differentiate between a lie or a statement simply being wrong or different than yours. If you give an institution the power to decide what can be reported, what constitutes lies and such, this could get abused to silence all opposing voice.
This leave us extremely vulnerable to propaganda, since bad actors have access to the same immunity journalists earned over time. It really is hard to differentiate the two legally.
This leave only one way of getting rid of propaganda, and it is to prove intent. Have them admit that they're lying on purpose. I guess 1 strike for fox wasnt enough.
So, let me get this straight: Fox news, the republicans, Trumpers, ect. are arguing that "Sleepy" Joe Biden is allowed to submit fake electors to congress, no matter the votes for Trump, and KAMALA HARRIS gets to declare herself and Biden the winners of the next election? The Republicans are okay with this very legal series of events?
Of course not. They're saying it's okay when they do it.
This is not a snarky reply. This is a fact we need to stop treating as obscure or questionable. Stop pretending their bullshit exists in any worldview where fairness applies. Don't even do it rhetorically. It is an obstacle to internalizing how conservatives think.
It's simple and it's nonsense and it's terrifying.
Meanwhile Trump is out there telling people to vote for him while also claiming that the votes don't matter because Republicans should just decide who wins.
No see, they’re Democrats. In/out-group behavior explains this perfectly. A member of the in-group can do no wrong, while a member of the out-group is never right. Instead of logic, the GOP functions mostly on tribalism and feelings, with classism and racism being two forms they use to appeal to the base. Religion being another. It’s not about a consistent philosophy. It’s about how it feels in the moment and does it help with the feeling of fear.
This is how they always do it. Vehemently deny that he did it until the evidence is incontrovertible. Then do a complete 180 and say of course he did it but there’s nothing wrong with that.
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
Global warming is not happening!
OK, maybe it's happening, but there's no evidence it's human caused!
OK, maybe it's happening, and maybe it's human caused, but doing something about it would be too large an economic burden! <- You are here.
OK, maybe it's happening, maybe it's human caused, and maybe the costs to fix it were less than the costs of doing nothing... but now it's too late anyway...
yup, and somehow they found out that it does not matter if you're always wrong publicly while being recorded. All you need to do is to never admit to it, and double down on the next wrong step really hard with extreme confidance. Throw in a few accusations that your oponents did worse, even if this is without merits, and voila. Using this simple trick you could become the most influential person in the world.
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal. <[ They are here]
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
That didn't happen. <[ They are here]
And if it did, it wasn't that bad. <[ They are here]
And if it was, that's not a big deal. <[ They are here]
And if it is, that's not my fault. <[ They are here]
And if it was, I didn't mean it. <[ They are here]
And if I did, you deserved it. <[ They are here]
haha, yep. It seems to me that we're constantly bombarded by conflicting statements as they move back and forth in the prayer. They usually just regurgitate the argument of least resistance that fits the conversation.
"Jan6 was false flag"
" Free the patriots who did nothing wrong"
"Nothing happened on Jan6"
"This is what you get when you steal elections"
"A coup is no big deal"
Always have been, they were started by Nixon administration veterans who wanted to make sure the next time a Watergate happened they got away with it (which they pretty much did with both Iran Contra and the 2003 Iraq War)
He took over Tucker Carlson's time slot, so you'll probably hear a lot more of his word vomit make it into headlines in the future. Fortunately, he seems like an idiot; unfortunately, the Fox News viewership is too dumb to notice.
Random unrelated thought: anyone ever find it odd or wonder why all the people who snap and become mass shooters never seem to target bags of ass like this guy? Just a completely random thought unrelated to this article. Just his face and knowledge of his statements caused this totally unrelated thought to emerge.
And to add to that, people that cause actual harm are usually money-loaded, surrounded by security and don't interact with the general public much, while random passers-by are, by definition, everywhere around you, so they are significantly easier to target.
You need a sense of high entitlement to become a mass shooter, and they usually target a very specific demographic. I think statically this will end up being right winger targeting minority, but I would need to do more research on this, this is just speculation.
This is kind of a pandora box. They need to prove intent, and probably link them to the coup with hard proofs. Otherwise you're just saying it is Ok for government officials to attack "journalists" (quotes for fox news respectively)
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