Total victory is no longer a realistic goal
Neither is partial victory, or any victory.
We'll have to wait a few months before western media brings themselves to admit that.
They're easing into it. Ukraine will still declare victory at the end, saying they prevented Russia from conquering all of Ukraine and genociding all Ukrainians. Meanwhile everyone will memoryhole Zelenskyy saying that Ukraine's victory condition is taking back Crimea.
When this war ends, the military front-line will become the new frontier between Ukraine and Russia. I would expect it to be within half the width of a Ukrainian oblast to the left or the right of the current battle line. Western Ukraine would become part of Nato and, eventually, the EU. The new frontline would become part of Nato's operational frontier for the purposes of Article 5, its collective defence clause. If Russia crossed that line, it would be at war with Nato.
If this is the compromise position they're offering now (and this article seems ahead of where most NATO governments actually are), this is going to go on a lot longer.
I don't see how the west can physically keep this going a lot longer. They're literally running out of everything at this point, and can't even produce gunpowder now.
Via terrorist attacks. They've been doing it for a while now and will likely only expand. Drones getting flung into places far from the Ukrainian border, likely launched locally.
They will likely keep doing terrorism in the foreseeable future, but the whole regime is likely to collapse before long. At that point the west will likely be no safer than Russia in that regard. A lot of very angry nationalists will feel deeply betrayed by the west and will want revenge.
Mujahideen 2: Ukrainian Boogaloo!
History repeats as a farce.
Arguably muhajadeen 3. Second one was "Ichkeria", aka the islamist regime that took over Chechnya
This feels like a repackaged frozen conflict narrative.
Western Ukraine would become part of Nato and, eventually, the EU.
me when my Idea of NATO and the EU is entirely based on vibes
RIP the march on Sevastopol and being in Moscow by Christmas
It never was, and they know that.
We're finally admitting the stages of them admitting this to the public at large though.
The media is on damage control mod
The strategic rethink is stop arming Nazis and give Russia what it wants, but that won't happen because their pride won't allow them to accept reality
God, please, just let this shitshow end already.
Franky, I'm so tired at this point that I feel like it'll go on like this forever. I can't imagine going back to normal life anymore. What is even "normal"...
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if "normal" even existed? Or if we've just been young and uneducated, taking the monstrosity of the global capitalism as a given.
Guess Engels Was right saying pre-communist times are just "prehistory".
You're right, normalcy was never a thing. At least, not within my lifetime.
But at least I'd like to live without the fear of being kidnapped and press-ganged into the military, you know?
You bet I do
How much longer do you think until Mastodonians start doing alternate history?
Mastodon crowd pretty much just follows western mainstream narrative on the war from what I've seen. I guess it'll be interesting to see the reaction once mainstream media acknowledges that the war is conclusively lost.
Right now they've revived Russiagate, so the decay is already started.
Russiagate was an absolutely brilliant piece of propaganda because it forever tied Trump to Russia in the eyes of the liberals. Now they see them as one and the same.
And absolutely no one is talking about the insane corruption that was unveiled. Perfectly spin doctored.
Wouldn't want to pull on that thread, because then people might realize that a lot of this corruption has roots back home.
Some hotheads even called for the west to declare regime change in Russia as our official goal.
Get those hotheads out of here!
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