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my bet is on the second option.
and once the damage becomes undeniable even to them, itll turn from fakenews and lies into the wrath of god. (they obviously saw it coming all along)
and instead of even trying to fix anything,
they'll persecute those who they blame.
Yup, it's absolutely just going to get more and more deranged.
We're already seeing reich-wingers outright deny that eg. southern Europe has had an unusually hot heatwave – or even a heatwave at all. I've seen more than one claim that some of the forest fires we've had around Europe either didn't happen or were caused by – surprise surprise – foreigners purposefully setting fire to them because reasons.
I figure that once things get extremely bad, they'll absolutely keep denying humanity has anything to do with it, but the social instability that extreme climate change will cause will be a great excuse for them to start outright murdering "leftists" (ie. anyone left of the Strasserites), or at least more than they already are at any rate.
The more "reasonable" right wing pro fossil fuel narrative is the idea that earth goes through "cycles" and that we've been hotter before in the past, we're coming out of an ice age, and this might be the result of solar activity and earth's adjusting orbit and blablabla.
This theory of course ignores the historical climate record showing that this warming is happening at a faster rate than the usual cycles, as well as the fact that the kind of co2 that is released from burning fossil fuels is traceable and unique compared to the isotope that is released from like respiration decomposition, and etc. So we also do have a general idea that a large chunk of green house gas in the atompshere is all us.
It also denies just the simple logic of how burning fossil fuels works. It was a lot hotter and there were more greenhouse gases at one point the atmosphere was unbreathable. Over time that carbon was sequestered and buried deep under ground and kept that way. For millions of years that carbon was removed from the natural hot and cold cycle our planet goes through. Unrelated to carbonate erosion and deposition, and unrelated to volcanic activity, or continents closing up major oceanic currents, or shifts in salinity altering ocean conveyance, or solar activity, or axis tilts, or orbit shifts, and etc. These cycles happened while greenhouse gases were safely underground.
I forget which magazine published the article, I thought PopSci but couldn't find it, where the editor wrote something like: "We're no longer focusing on ideas about stopping man made climate change, we're going to focus on articles on surviving as a species in inevitable climate change." Which I think is the best thing smart people can do. Me and friends are working on saving for and designing a sustainable and (hopefully) climate proof farming co-op, because we don't see rational discussion or action ever happening and we aren't willing to just cook to death and be unprepared.