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[–] 53 points 2 years ago (34 children)

Fun fact: George Takei himself complained that Sulu is portrait gay in the new movies. He said that even tho he himself is gay, he always played Sulu as a straight guy. But why would the headcanon of an actor be more important than any other

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    I mean, if it informs the performance meaningfully, it's part of the end product. Doesn't mean it's necessarily canon or whatever, but it certainly has the potential to impact later performances if direction moves away from the actor's previous internal preparation.

    I could see it being off-putting to work under a director or with writing that bleeds your public personality into your role, especially if it's one you've gotten to a certain place with.

    Like even as a roleplayer, any character i might embody in the moment has a life of its own that's distinct from mine, and would make decisions that I wouldn't. If someone tried to push me into acting a way that's more typical of myself out of character or that's more in line with a different character I play, or if they reacted to the character based on that outside stuff, I'd certainly resist it.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    True, I totally see your point. I think there are different ways to see this:

    First, it's someone else who played it so he wasn't forced to do anything. It's just a role he played and now someone else does with different interpretations. You wouldn't blame a Hamlett actor for performing differently than their predecessor. Sure, it's different since Sulu was brought into existence by Takei and didn't really exist in a book or something but still a fictional character played by different people.

    Since it's just one little scene I didn't even remember after the first time watching, it isn't part of his story or character building or something. He is just greeted by his husband (or partner) and daughter. In my eyes more of a homage or easter egg to Takei than forcing his personality into the character.

    Lastly, HolLyWood goNe w0ke aNywAyS. I don't mean this negatively obviously. Media puts diversity into more and more places and it doesn't even have to do with Takei himself.

    Even tho I started the last paragraph with lastly, let me add that I think it might even have more to do with losing control of your creation. Sure, Sulu started as the character played by Sulu but he developed further. It's like trying to force the genie back into the bottle. Sulu isn't Takei and Takei isn't entitled to control Sulu.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    I can see how he'd be upset by it, and I don't think it's about lack of control. It's like the people writing the character said Takei is just SO damn gay that they have to make everything he's ever touched gay. Like the gay's contagious. He's contaminating characters with his gayness. Some people actually think that's the way it works. Given his age i'm sure he's seen enough of that to be upset by the implication. He's an individual who's lived a long and interesting life, not just some big gay caricature. Though he's definitely that too.

    George takei aside, i'm all for making more characters gay. Dial it all the way up. Sure worked for the she ra reboot.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    To be fair, John Cho played Sulu straight until it was revealed that he was gay. And even then, there wasn't much gayness to his acting. Unless you count bringing a sword to a skydiving phaser fight, but I'd consider that more bad ass than gay.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    And even then, there wasn’t much gayness to his acting.

    Care to elaborate?

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    [–] 39 points 2 years ago* (32 children)

    With the debatable exception of Jadzia, all those characters were exclusively shown in heterosexual relationships.

    Rejoined was a great episode.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Not too sure what's debatable about Jadzia. Julian on the other hand... pretty debatable.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    While she kissed a girl, it was never portrayed as a lesbian relationship, rather the post reincarnation resumption of earlier straight marriage.

    Did Bashir ever pine after a guy? O’Brien doesn’t count.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If you've not noticed garak and Bashir.... well, it's worth a rewatch just for that.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Sure, but that doesn't mean they were exclusively heterosexual.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    The definition of canon is that which is shown on screen.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Any character that does not explicitly say they were hetero/homosexual is canonically bi until proven otherwise.

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Kira was a rebel at heart.

    Bashir was in the "I've been genetically modified, which is illegal, so should I have kids?" camp, if I remember correctly.

    Sisko loved his wife.

    Odo was a gelatinous blob.

    Jadzia was influenced by past multiple personalities, so she likely loved pans and pots.

    O'Brien was a weeb. He only loved his waifu, the transporter room.

    Jake was a reporter. He loved crawling into holes he shouldn't have been crawling into.

    Quark was a businessman. He loved risky ventures.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Although it isn't really shown, Odo is nonbinary by definition isn't he?

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Quark is a straight white male, or my name isn't Jeremiah Paxton

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Agreed on all points except Garak, the simple tailor.

    Anybody who misses how shamelessly he flirts with Julian needs their head-canon checked on.

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