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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Giving your children self confidence and educating them also on more philosophical topics is definitely something parents can/should do. The problem arises when parents can't fulfill that task.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I think this article may shed some interesting context and complement OP’s linked article nicely: https://theconversation.com/gen-z-boys-attitudes-to-feminism-are-more-nuanced-than-negative-222532

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

What is rightthink and what is wrongthink is already predetermined before conversations start. So someone who is young and wants to think for themselves cannot hold a position that is not already predetermined, they cannot even talk something through to get the right answer because even holding the wrong answer is liable for attack.

Not even that but not holding the right answer and advocating for it aggressively is already aggressively wrong.

And who is responsible for most of these issues? You guessed it white men. No only do they have to hold the right position they have to defend that position more than anyone else.

The world is getting a lot more competitive but I think the thinks most guys care about is getting girls and getting money do to things like by a house. Sex has gotten horrifically competitive with some guys getting laid loads and some guys not getting any. It pays to be the best and guys know that, lying about it doesn't help anyone. Theoretically evening out that somehow is probably better for society but I can't even conceive of how that would happen, but might be an explaination of how marriage for life became the norm.

In terms of money it's difficult for everyone, but then for everyone else to get a leg up when you are struggling is aggravating. All anyone wants is a level playing field and white guys don't get that. Also girls still like guys with money whereas it isn't the same the other way around.

Sure you can say something like women liking guys with money is all part of the patriarchy and pushes that back onto men. But serious, how are the current generation going to fix that? It's okay for women to feel money makes a man but not to change, but it's not okay for men to let that happen. That just doesn't make sense.

Then the mental health aspect is men don't have anything. They get attacked, they get told they need to be strong, countless examples of women abusing men for being weak (that's seems the norm in relationships) I guess that's somehow not women's responsibility either it's the patriarchy. So men find comfort and support in other men but that is also not okay. There are no man days in work, no male only spaces, no one trying to push men into a career for teaching. Men even having a normal guy only friendship group gets attacked in ways that women only friendship groups don't.

I'm sure this comment will do poorly because it doesn't fit the narrative and people will gloss over it but that's the explaination of what's going wrong in guys lives today.

And another hard fact for a lot of people here is the right actually have some points. Can you believe that a huge contingents of different attributes supported by ~50% of the population has some things going for it. I am left wing, probably very left wing. But the way the left act is pushing a lot of people to the right. Conversations with the right are much more open, much more free. The left is so aggressive and unopen to discussion it pushes people away. If the right offers equality and tells young boys they are not born with oringal sin for being boys, then people are going to listen. We need a party that is left economically but individually right.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Can you believe that a huge contingents of different attributes supported by ~50% of the population has some things going for it. I am left wing, probably very left wing. But the way the left act is pushing a lot of people to the right. Conversations with the right are much more open, much more free. The left is so aggressive and unopen to discussion it pushes people away. If the right offers equality and tells young boys they are not born with oringal sin for being boys, then people are going to listen. We need a party that is left economically but individually right.

I was with you until this part.

No, 50% of the population isn't on the current political right, not even 50% of the voting population is on the political right. In Canada it's much closer to a third of the population. Just because there are two mainstream political sides, does not mean they divide the population accurately.

And second, Conservative conversation spaces tend to have a lot of censorship as well. Look at the conservative subreddits, or Twitter right now, or Truth Social, or Parlor, or any other "conservative" space. Dissent gets you banned. Maybe it feels like you can have more conversation there because the opposition just disappears and you never have to think about it. That's not to say primarily left wing spaces or online social justice warriors are perfect, there are a ton of very very active anti-car/capitalism/whatever people who will aggressively harass people too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (6 children)

"Son, don't be a Nazi."

"OMG literally 1984."

Sex has gotten horrifically competitive with some guys getting laid loads and some guys not getting any.

Borderline incel horseshit.

Theoretically evening out that somehow is probably better for society

Nevermind, outright incel horseshit.

I am left wing, probably very left wing. But the way the left act is pushing a lot of people to the right.

I've heard this a lot - almost always from smirking fascists. The sort who think the left do anything but discuss. They talk so much they get nothing done.

Right-wing conversations are empty slogan contests, in a manipulative tone of voice. Like "original sin for being boys," a fucking obvious strawman, commonly spat when someone describes toxic masculinity. Which is not a criticism of masculinity any more than "don't eat poisoned apples" is a criticism of apples.

We need a party that is left economically but individually right.

Oh, like the Strasserites. Sincere anticapitalists committed to a strong national identity, right up until they were dragged into the street and shot on the Night of the Long Knives because they were fucking Nazis.

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