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The US is supporting Israel through what we can mostly all agree is a genocide of the Gazans. Clearly, Biden isn't a genocidal maniac, yet he's all in with unwavering support. Why are we doing this? There has to be a logical reason that isn't just "we want Israel to kill everyone in Gaza and take their land a la lebensraum."

We know this is an emotional topic, so please be respectful of each other so that we can have open and clear authentic discussion on the matter.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The history of the conflict is pretty complicated. As far as US support goes, the US can utilize Israel and wars as a destabilizing force in middle east which is beneficial to the Military Industrial Complex, and influence in the region with Hard/Soft Power. Reductively, because of Money and Power.

Following Israel’s stunning victory and occupation of Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem, Washington concluded that Arab nations had moved into the Soviet camp and so increased weapons sales to the Jewish state, including Phantom jet fighters.

Initially as an anti Soviet position under LBJ

Military support for Israel solidified under the Reagan administration which also began a more vigorous diplomatic defence of Israel – particularly shielding it from criticism at the United Nations.

And especially to sell weapons under Reagan

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/16/why-israel-allies-explainer

The US has been supporting the ethnic cleansing of Palestine since the 1967 war and the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, and that position has led to the US supporting the ongoing genocide in Gaza today.

Biden is also a strong Zionist, so... There's that too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Biden isn’t a genocidal maniacBack during the Iraq War, Biden and Blinken came up with the idea of partitioning Iraq into 3 different ethnostates. "We should take [ethnic group] and PUSH it somewhere else!!" is the kind of thing Biden thinks makes sense.

"It is important that whatever you do succeeds quickly. We would be able to influence the reaction in America if whatever happens happens after we return."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

you really need to go back and look at the history of post WWII. How that cookie crumbled has set the world stage for where it is today. Israel is part of a long term geopolitical chess game that hasn't fully played out yet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

for the US to have a vassal state in the middle east.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

OK never mind we are in agreement

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

that's a weird statement. i never saw your question as an argument for or against anything, nor did i see my replies as such either.

"that's just the way it is" is a complicated issue. it's okay to talk about things without taking sides.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

With the phrasing I used I can understand how it would come off that way.

It was meant as more of a “oh never mind I understand.” as well as the fact that I agree with you

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Israel is an ally in the middle east, the only one who does what the US says whenever they say it.

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