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What are your ideas, that if you could implement would likely stop our species from warring so much?

I'm asking for a reasonable ones, but if not - at least make them funny :P

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You'll have to find a way to eliminate greed

Edit: or no people so you have nobody to start wars

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A death match between the presidents / prime ministers of the rival countries. The country of the winner of that match will win the war, and the country of the loser has to deal with the following consequences.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Then every nation ends up with President Camacho.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

There is no solution to that. It is a cold, hard reality of living on a planet with limited resources. We all might hate war (and for good reason, obviously), but it isn't like animals don't fight for territory either. Just happens that humans found a way to make it a few orders of magnitude more extreme.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Let's first address all the "nature" and "biological" not-really-true claims.

The Batek people of Malaysia are so averse of killing other humans that refuse to do it even when threatened with slavery https://peacefulsocieties.uncg.edu/societies/batek/

So, war is cultural, not biological.

Second, why do we do war?

At first glance, is for scarce resources, for survival.

But look at the modern wars. Are they for survival? Are they for resources that we need to survive?
No they are not.
They are for power.

But whose power?
The power of those who actually have to fight and die?
Certainly not.

The power of the rulers, who are greedy for more power.

Most people need to be scared into going to war, need to be convinced that they are defending their families and their "people".

This is why rulers work very hard to build national identities, the good "us" vs the evil "them".

Here we need three things:

  1. We need a culture that knows how to recognize those greedy for power, those with a desire to dominate, and see them as the threat to freedom that they are, ie some sort of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leveling_mechanism
    There are several cultures that do that, but it has to be a deliberate and conscious thing.

  2. We need to rethink our identities, national and not, because those identities are used to define the "other" that is ok to harm and kill.
    A way to do this is to make sure that people who want to travel and visit other groups can do so easily: this will help the various groups understand and humanize each other.

  3. We need a culture that stresses the importance of non-violent conflict resolution.
    Because if all you know is violence, then that's what you will use.

I mean, easier said than done of course, but I think that knowing the direction makes it easier to reach it.

For further reading on the subject, I would recommend Bob Altemeyer's "The Authoritarians" and Graeber & Wengrow's "The Dawn of Everything" from the top of my head.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No hands for anyone. Possibly no feet too. Only the cooperative will survive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

How about massive free psychedelic doses?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Abolish Money and increase global distribution of goods aka socialism.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If you see war as a struggle to get access to scarce resources and if you notice that currently humankind is depleting most of the available resources then you might come to the conclusion that if in the future we will not need to go to war something terrible must have happened. Are you sure about the future you want?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eradicate fear.

Fear of losing power. Fear of "them". Fear of going to hell because you didn't convert someone. Fear of lost resources.

It all boils down to fear. The problem is that fear is contagious. It's easier to convince someone to back your side if you make them afraid vs hopeful.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How do you eradicate fear?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I wish I had an answer to that. For me, it's knowledge and recognition. Having an open mind to hear both sides of an argument and trying to focus on facts, not "what ifs". Then paying attention to not just what's being said, but how it's being said. It's pretty easy to see when someone is trying to get you emotional rather than logical,but you have to be looking for it.

When I hear a politician say "they're trying to take away...." or "they want you to...". That's them trying to make you fear the other side. I don't give a shit if you're left, right, capitalist, communist, or a dictator, if you're goal is to make me fear what the other side will do with power then you've already lost me. Because I know, that really you're afraid to lose power and so you make other people afraid too. Unfortunately, it works for way too many people.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Kill every human, or all but one. As long as there’s at least two people, there will be conflict.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Put the ones in charge to the front line.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I think the solution is to have enough renewable energy for all of humanity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

this is a bit grim but global-wide information control that shreds any information which will help the growth of the idea of overly patriotic but less enough to not kill the domestic culture (but i think, not necessarily always telling the truth). that will also promote the sense of global village and transnationalism. and relocate the idea of war to other rivalries like on sports or something, idk.

basically limit the free will without showing it. I can't think if it's gonna happen or this even possible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well effectively, it would entail an all-encompassing global spying machine that gathers all data possible, and imprisons anyone who deviates from the expected baseline. (Wouldn’t end well for me either.) You have to remove most individuality to remove reasons for fighting. And even if you imprison 999 false leads to capture just one instigator, that’s the only way to ‘guarantee’ a fairly high level of security.

So what I’d say we need is 1984 or Мы levels of oversight to have any chance of curtailing conflict for good.

EDIT: oh, and re-education. Lots and lots of re-education.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Simple. We make war illegal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

‘Taps forehead’

Genius.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Establish a global trade network in a way that everyone is completely dependent on everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Capitalist trade necessitates competition & states, even if you ignore how violent setting up that trade network was, the need for competition to push profits up means you need to put down local competition or regulations (e.g the US (where the biggest companies reside) need to coup democratic leaders that get in the way of profits, such as the Iranian coup, etc), but people don't like that so you end up with counter revolutions which puts forces hostile to the US in power, and eager to give the US a bloody nose (but mostly through proxy wars).

And that's without even getting into the trade creating Cheneys who want war because it is profitable.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's (theoretically) impossible -- you can't break someone's (ignorant and established) will/ideas/plans with words alone or treats. Most world leaders are megalomaniacs by heart, i.e they won't stop until they are done with what they want.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Put everyone in a time-out until they can play nicely with the other children (because let's face it, a lot of them are acting like children)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Did you watch Shiny Happy People? Apparently Christian fundamentalists believe the world population can fit into Jacksonville, FL. There's the answer. Anyone who wants to start a war has to go live in Jacksonville. Build that wall!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It would take way more but the first step it would be to remove religions. And not only because most are not peaceful in principle but also because some religions see others as a target. Even small difference in beliefs could spark a vicious and long standing conflic, like Catholics Vs protestants.

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