▲ 212 ▼ "Noooo, us? No, we would NEVER do a genocide! Here, look at these testimonies from OUR experts! Ignore the UN, Amnesty, WHO, B'Tselem, Doctors Without Borders, and especially the PRCS" (i.imgflip.com) submitted 2 years ago by snek@lemmy.world to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world 117 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 47 points 2 years ago (8 children) I mean, Hamas's actions are pretty unambiguously war crimes. permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) They were definitely terrorist actions, not sure about war crimes. But what the IDF are doing is definitely war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago (15 children) Attacking civilian targets and taking civilian hostages are both very unambiguously war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hamas’s actions are pretty unambiguously war crimes Yes, and they're also clearly terrorism. But then, Israel have been reportedly and apparently focusing on "power targets", which are defined as those with little to no military value, where the goal is to destabilise the civilian population such that they put pressure on Hamas to enact change. "Using violence against civilians in pursuit of a political goal" is the dictionary definition of terrorism. Both acts are horrific, and above the threshold of anything that could be considered acceptable. It frankly isn't even worth comparing the two to try and figure out which one is worse - to do so would only tarnish your soul. They're different, but they're both unequivocally wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JustZ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is a very good post and true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wow, we two finally agree on something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They are war crimes but they are very clearly not genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) but they are very clearly not genocide. Only for lack of success. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, their founding constitution literally says death to Israel. Lack of success is literally the only reason why. Doesn't justify Israel war crime, but people should atleast understand what both sides goals are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, their founding constitution literally says death to Israel. Lack of success is literally the only reason why. No, no, they totally and radically changed in 2017, please ignore any history, context, statements, or actions past that point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (31 children) No it was pretty clear that they were not trying eradicate everyone. You don't get 33% military kills when you're going for genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 32 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (23 children) They shouldn't have killed any civilians, but I understand why they'd attack an illegal settlement right outside their open air prison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments load more comments (23 replies) load more comments (30 replies) [–] GenEcon@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago Also their voiced intention is to kill all jews everywhere – which is a genocide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (19 children) So the fact that Hamas did war crimes is a license for Israel to do the same against 10x times more civilians in Gaza, is that what you are saying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments load more comments (19 replies) [–] snek@lemmy.world [S] 7 points 2 years ago Too bad they're too busy going after Iran instead https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/analysis-israel-and-the-genocide-case-against-iran-at-the-icj/ Let's hear some more from the "experts": By now AMAN, the IDF intelligence service, must have all the evidence against Iran’s involvement in the genocide on October 7 that was found right after the massacre and during the ground operation in Gaza. This evidence makes Iran complicit in the genocide carried out on October 7, 2023 against Israeli Jews in the villages around Gaza. The case that Israel will bring against Iran at the ICJ therefore appears to be a lot stronger than that of South Africa against the Jewish state. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) They were definitely terrorist actions, not sure about war crimes. But what the IDF are doing is definitely war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago (15 children) Attacking civilian targets and taking civilian hostages are both very unambiguously war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies)
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago (15 children) Attacking civilian targets and taking civilian hostages are both very unambiguously war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies)
[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hamas’s actions are pretty unambiguously war crimes Yes, and they're also clearly terrorism. But then, Israel have been reportedly and apparently focusing on "power targets", which are defined as those with little to no military value, where the goal is to destabilise the civilian population such that they put pressure on Hamas to enact change. "Using violence against civilians in pursuit of a political goal" is the dictionary definition of terrorism. Both acts are horrific, and above the threshold of anything that could be considered acceptable. It frankly isn't even worth comparing the two to try and figure out which one is worse - to do so would only tarnish your soul. They're different, but they're both unequivocally wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JustZ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is a very good post and true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wow, we two finally agree on something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is a very good post and true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wow, we two finally agree on something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] snek@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wow, we two finally agree on something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They are war crimes but they are very clearly not genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) but they are very clearly not genocide. Only for lack of success. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, their founding constitution literally says death to Israel. Lack of success is literally the only reason why. Doesn't justify Israel war crime, but people should atleast understand what both sides goals are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, their founding constitution literally says death to Israel. Lack of success is literally the only reason why. No, no, they totally and radically changed in 2017, please ignore any history, context, statements, or actions past that point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (31 children) No it was pretty clear that they were not trying eradicate everyone. You don't get 33% military kills when you're going for genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 32 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (23 children) They shouldn't have killed any civilians, but I understand why they'd attack an illegal settlement right outside their open air prison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments load more comments (23 replies) load more comments (30 replies)
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) but they are very clearly not genocide. Only for lack of success. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, their founding constitution literally says death to Israel. Lack of success is literally the only reason why. Doesn't justify Israel war crime, but people should atleast understand what both sides goals are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, their founding constitution literally says death to Israel. Lack of success is literally the only reason why. No, no, they totally and radically changed in 2017, please ignore any history, context, statements, or actions past that point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (31 children) No it was pretty clear that they were not trying eradicate everyone. You don't get 33% military kills when you're going for genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 32 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (23 children) They shouldn't have killed any civilians, but I understand why they'd attack an illegal settlement right outside their open air prison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments load more comments (23 replies) load more comments (30 replies)
[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, their founding constitution literally says death to Israel. Lack of success is literally the only reason why. Doesn't justify Israel war crime, but people should atleast understand what both sides goals are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, their founding constitution literally says death to Israel. Lack of success is literally the only reason why. No, no, they totally and radically changed in 2017, please ignore any history, context, statements, or actions past that point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, their founding constitution literally says death to Israel. Lack of success is literally the only reason why. No, no, they totally and radically changed in 2017, please ignore any history, context, statements, or actions past that point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (31 children) No it was pretty clear that they were not trying eradicate everyone. You don't get 33% military kills when you're going for genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 32 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (23 children) They shouldn't have killed any civilians, but I understand why they'd attack an illegal settlement right outside their open air prison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments load more comments (23 replies) load more comments (30 replies)
[–] snek@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (23 children) They shouldn't have killed any civilians, but I understand why they'd attack an illegal settlement right outside their open air prison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments load more comments (23 replies)
[–] GenEcon@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago Also their voiced intention is to kill all jews everywhere – which is a genocide. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (19 children) So the fact that Hamas did war crimes is a license for Israel to do the same against 10x times more civilians in Gaza, is that what you are saying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments load more comments (19 replies)
[–] snek@lemmy.world [S] 7 points 2 years ago Too bad they're too busy going after Iran instead https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/analysis-israel-and-the-genocide-case-against-iran-at-the-icj/ Let's hear some more from the "experts": By now AMAN, the IDF intelligence service, must have all the evidence against Iran’s involvement in the genocide on October 7 that was found right after the massacre and during the ground operation in Gaza. This evidence makes Iran complicit in the genocide carried out on October 7, 2023 against Israeli Jews in the villages around Gaza. The case that Israel will bring against Iran at the ICJ therefore appears to be a lot stronger than that of South Africa against the Jewish state. permalink fedilink source parent
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